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Dec 9 2009 02:04pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Dec 9 2009 02:28pm)
Very much dependent on the zoo, but many of them suck. 

Aquariums tend to suck less.


this too.
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Quote (ChantDownBabylon @ Dec 8 2009 09:24pm)
Definitely unethical.

What gives the right to a man to keep other animals in prison?

Man made laws, nothing else.

Not to mention poor, unnatural living conditions etcetc.


poor?
getting fed everyday without worry of injury or death is TOTALLY poor living conditions. unnatural? yes, but is that necessarily a bad thing? you said yourself, how can you measure an animals state of happiness? they might be more happy in a zoo, and theyre CERTAINLY better off in one
zoo's do alot more than house animals for entertainment. they often rescue injured or endangered animals, breed species, and release rescued animals into the wild.
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Dec 9 2009 02:53pm
Quote (ChantDownBabylon @ Dec 9 2009 06:35am)
You make no fucking sense.

Learn your native language before you start posting.

And there is nothing in this world that gives man the right to push animals out of their natural habitat, absolutely nothing.


obviously i must make some sense if someone is agreeing with me.

Quote (ChantDownBabylon @ Dec 9 2009 02:58pm)
Oh lol, nice guess bro.

I live in an apartment building in far Northern Estonia. Not many species to push out around here.

Your logic fails in so many levels.


everything you say makes you look dumber and dumber..

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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Dec 9 2009 01:28pm)
Very much dependent on the zoo, but many of them suck. 

Aquariums tend to suck less.


i have a fairly local zoo that's made a lot of steps towards better privacy for the animals, better living conditions, and bigger "natural" habitats, but they still have some of the animals commit suicide and shit :D
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Dec 9 2009 03:48pm
unethical. It's just sad to see animals imprisoned like that. The benefits: to see non-indigenous wildlife that you won't see otherwise.
What can be done to make that more ethical--expand zoo's. Don't make a rhino live in a 300 ft space. Make it more of a mini natural environment.
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Quote (ChantDownBabylon @ Dec 9 2009 01:58pm)
Oh lol, nice guess bro.

I live in an apartment building in far Northern Estonia. Not many species to push out around here.

Your logic fails in so many levels.


Haha, what the fuck do you think was there before the city was? Huh?

Actually, your logic fails. Nice try.
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Haha, what the fuck do you think was therebefore the city was? Huh?

Actually, your logic fails. Nice try.


my thoughts exactly...
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Quote (ChantDownBabylon @ Dec 9 2009 05:24am)
Definitely unethical.

What gives the right to a man to keep other animals in prison?

Man made laws, nothing else.

Not to mention poor, unnatural living conditions etcetc.

So you'd rather let elephants for example roam free in the wild where they are killed and their tusks stolen? "Captivity" provides them with safety and good conditions, most of the time.

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So you'd rather let elephants for example roam free in the wild where they are killed and their tusks stolen? "Captivity" provides them with safety and good conditions, most of the time.


Imprisoning elephants just to keep them safe from poachers? Bullshit i say.

Poachers should be punished for what they do. And the punishment should be harsh.


Quote (subExternal @ 10 Dec 2009 00:25)
Haha, what the fuck do you think was there before the city was? Huh?

Actually, your logic fails. Nice try.


Dude, you are stupid as fuck man.

We are talking about razing the rain forest and forcing the species who cannot survive anywhere else out of their natural habitat.

We are not talking about couple of squirrels who can survive perfectly by just jumping onto some other tree.


Quote (bob08 @ 9 Dec 2009 23:48)
unethical. It's just sad to see animals imprisoned like that. The benefits: to see non-indigenous wildlife that you won't see otherwise.
What can be done to make that more ethical--expand zoo's. Don't make a rhino live in a 300 ft space. Make it more of a mini natural environment.


Cause we live in an information society and there is absolutely no other way you could learn about wild animals than go to a zoo right?

Animals are not on Earth to our entertainment.


Quote (Thc-weedman @ 9 Dec 2009 22:53)
obviously i must make some sense if someone is agreeing with me.



everything you say makes you look dumber and dumber..


Stupid people stick together. He probably didnt realize that you make no goddamn sense.

Quote (Kamikizzle @ 9 Dec 2009 22:34)
poor?
getting fed everyday without worry of injury or death is TOTALLY poor living conditions. unnatural? yes, but is that necessarily a bad thing? you said yourself, how can you measure an animals state of happiness? they might be more happy in a zoo, and theyre CERTAINLY better off in one
zoo's do alot more than house animals for entertainment. they often rescue injured or endangered animals, breed species, and release rescued animals into the wild.


Wild animals belong into the wild. No animals should ever live in imprisonment. And most of zoos have very poor living conditions like no room, wrong food, wrong type of environment. There are only very few zoos which actually have decent almost natural living conditions. But as they say the exception proves the rule.

And there is still the ethical side of zoos. Man does not own other species. We cannot do whatever we want with them saying that they are 'better off' that way. It is an utopian ideal that man could exist peacefully side by side with other species, not trying to rule them. And remember i have never said that we should close zoos. Imprisoned and injured animals cannot survive in the wild. But i also think that it is unethical to breed species. 99,9% species ever lived are now extinct. This is just part of life and we should not play nature.
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this is the only time ive seen chant hold her own and i am somewhat impressed.


all these people who are saying ethical are actually revealing a lot about the way they think, and it's pretty fucking sad.
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