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Mar 4 2009 04:41pm
Quote (CaptnCrunch @ Wed, Mar 4 2009, 10:02pm)
Same for me. sad.gif


This doesn't not so much as detract from the essay, ass speak volumes for the sig.
See, I can't even right cuz I'm still seeing it in my mind.
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Mar 4 2009 05:25pm
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theory of relativity is now out of date my friend. as we speak newtonian physics -a rudimentary pillar of modern physics is being rewritten.

i also believe time simply exists all at once after reading about all of these paired photon experiments. very fascinating.


Yes, I believe that science is constantly changing as well. However I believe time, as I stated earlier to be the continuous perception of MATTER and ENERGY. Matter itself cannot perceive

therefore matter existing on its own does not exist in time, rather it exists in states Solid, Liquid, Gas or Plasma. Energy itself cannot percieve therefore energy existing on its own

does not exist in time, rather it exists as Potential or Kinetic energy. Time is the biological perception of matter and energy in discrete amounts, relative to the laws of the universe.

Relativity was on the money, just not truncated to our precise liking =). Existence is not contingent on time, rather time is contingent on existence. In other words, your existence was

not DETERMINED by time, rater TIME quantifies/determines your existence through your own biological processes.

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Mar 5 2009 05:39am
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Yes, I believe that science is constantly changing as well. However I believe time, as I stated earlier to be the continuous perception of MATTER and ENERGY. Matter itself cannot perceive

therefore matter existing on its own does not exist in time, rather it exists in states Solid, Liquid, Gas or Plasma. Energy itself cannot percieve therefore energy existing on its own

does not exist in time, rather it exists as Potential or Kinetic energy. Time is the biological perception of matter and energy in discrete amounts, relative to the laws of the universe.

Relativity was on the money, just not truncated to our precise liking =). Existence is not contingent on time, rather time is contingent on existence. In other words, your existence was

not DETERMINED by time, rater TIME quantifies/determines your existence through your own biological processes.


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Mar 5 2009 04:43pm
quite a misleading topic title. most of the posts in here are ppl claiming to have an opinion on the mechanics of time, most of which have already been developed into a general agreement or disagreement in the scientific comm., if not already proved or disproved. only one here who has a clue what theyre talkin about is julius.

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Mar 5 2009 04:46pm
Quote (Jazz_Thing @ Wed, Mar 4 2009, 06:25pm)
Yes, I believe that science is constantly changing as well. However I believe time, as I stated earlier to be the continuous perception of MATTER and ENERGY. Matter itself cannot perceive

therefore matter existing on its own does not exist in time, rather it exists in states Solid, Liquid, Gas or Plasma. Energy itself cannot percieve therefore energy existing on its own

does not exist in time, rather it exists as Potential or Kinetic energy. Time is the biological perception of matter and energy in discrete amounts, relative to the laws of the universe.

Relativity was on the money, just not truncated to our precise liking =). Existence is not contingent on time, rather time is contingent on existence. In other words, your existence was

not DETERMINED by time, rater TIME quantifies/determines your existence through your own biological processes.


Interesting. I need a minute to digest that....

...ok 2minutes. My question for you is what test or what determination is made to classify things as being able to percieve or not able to?
Do humans perceive? What about cells and microrganisms? What about the elements, atom, electons?
ok, go larger. Does a community of people percieve? What about the global community? Where is the line?
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Mar 5 2009 06:45pm
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Interesting. I need a minute to digest that....

...ok 2minutes. My question for you is what test or what determination is made to classify things as being able to percieve or not able to?
Do humans perceive? What about cells and microrganisms? What about the elements, atom, electons?
ok, go larger. Does a community of people percieve? What about the global community? Where is the line?


Perception requires consciousness. Consciousness is the collective being or community of nerve cells. I'm sure there is a threshold where neurons begin to exhibit signs of consciousness when

their amount reaches above a certain number. I am saying that inanimate objects such as a book, rock, or flame do not have the ability to perceive, because they do not have neurons.

Therefore if they don't have a neural network that is larger enough to create perception, then they cannot exist in time. I'm sure a dog has a slight notion of time, same with a fish, or a cow. Otherwise it would die, because it wouldn't know when to sustain itself. I think the more complex and numerous our neural networks become, the more we can identify specific aspects of life relative to our own biology (energy) and earth (Matter). For example, a community can decide when it is time to feed (matter) based on hunger (energy). Recall I said that time is a function of matter and energy, relative to a species's perception. I hope I didn't lose you!

Does this make more sense?

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Quote (xnatex21 @ Thu, Mar 5 2009, 05:46pm)
Interesting. I need a minute to digest that....

...ok 2minutes. My question for you is what test or what determination is made to classify things as being able to percieve or not able to?
Do humans perceive? What about cells and microrganisms? What about the elements, atom, electons?
ok, go larger. Does a community of people percieve? What about the global community? Where is the line?


there is no line.
in quantum mechanics there is the requirement of an observer to determine the quantum state of an object. therefore in order for anything to exist in one exact way constant observance of everything you are talking about is required
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there is no line.
in quantum mechanics there is the requirement of an observer to determine the quantum state of an object. therefore in order for anything to exist in one exact way constant observance of everything you are talking about is required


oh jebus, you're not actually suggesting that ridiculous quantum theory that 'the moon is not there if no one is watching it' has any credence are you?

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Mar 6 2009 05:51pm
Quote (ragdollkatze @ Fri, 6 Mar 2009, 04:50)
there is no line.
in quantum mechanics there is the requirement of an observer to determine the quantum state of an object. therefore in order for anything to exist in one exact way constant observance of everything you are talking about is required


my thoughts exactly
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Mar 8 2009 09:51pm
Quote (ragdollkatze @ Thu, Feb 26 2009, 01:17am)
time is just the progression of existence-
the playing out of every action and reaction, the first action being the beginning of time.
we experience this more acutely because we are a reaction having the intelligence to question and comprehend this kind of thought
its simple really,
Time is the same wherever you go. it is happening at the same rate, only the perception of it changes because of the cycle from which you were brought.
ex: if you are a creature of a larger planet your life is longer and a smaller planet?shorter life... you get this?
there is no actual distortion of time in space due to its bending under the force of the central object
to conclude this i also believe that all time, from beggining to end is happening all at once, or in one moment. different timescales can be experienced though.
you can experience this time to be infinitely long if you are on an object that is spinning fast enough.
at the edge of the universe, one would observe the earth to be spinning at, lets say 100000000000000000 times per second.

this is for everyone who thinks that time is of some form and that it can be distorted or bent by the forces of objects
the only thing being distorted or bent is your perception.


Totally disagree with this, good song in sig though.
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