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Quote (ChaosDealer73 @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 18:27)
As far as we know, teleportation is not possible. Why? Teleportation is instant and although light speed is extremely fast, it is not instantaneous, so the actual idea of teleportation is not possible. Now, going to a more scientific theory (none of that paranormal stuff) if we could dematerialize something and transmit it as information, and restructure it at another place, that could work.

However, we come into some severe problems with this theory as well. How does one transfer the material that makes up a person? Carbon, Nitrogen, Water, and all of those components that make a person cannot be turned into electronic information and beamed somewhere. Or can it? I'd like to hear some theories on this.

Stemming from that idea, if say we had the raw materials at the other point and we had perfected the reconstruction of a human being (and it worked properly) what about our memories? The idea of a soul or something of that nature thrown out, how do we move memories about? Simply reconnecting all the nerve endings and firing the same neurons would not make memories or cause memories to be kept. Why? Memory is just something that's there. In order for it to be transfered in this sense, it would have to have a physical manifestation. This brings up the question of whether or not information/memory have mass. As far as I know, humans do not think in binary and therefore we could not just turn that into data that would be dumped into our brains, so how would one logically preserve thoughts and memories in the instance of teleportation?


This is more scientific philosophy and theorizing, but I still find it interesting. What do you all think?


Teleport=impossible.

Then the terrorists would be too imba
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Quote (ChaosDealer73 @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 05:27pm)
As far as we know, teleportation is not possible. Why? Teleportation is instant and although light speed is extremely fast, it is not instantaneous, so the actual idea of teleportation is not possible. Now, going to a more scientific theory (none of that paranormal stuff) if we could dematerialize something and transmit it as information, and restructure it at another place, that could work.

However, we come into some severe problems with this theory as well. How does one transfer the material that makes up a person? Carbon, Nitrogen, Water, and all of those components that make a person cannot be turned into electronic information and beamed somewhere. Or can it? I'd like to hear some theories on this.

Stemming from that idea, if say we had the raw materials at the other point and we had perfected the reconstruction of a human being (and it worked properly) what about our memories? The idea of a soul or something of that nature thrown out, how do we move memories about? Simply reconnecting all the nerve endings and firing the same neurons would not make memories or cause memories to be kept. Why? Memory is just something that's there. In order for it to be transfered in this sense, it would have to have a physical manifestation. This brings up the question of whether or not information/memory have mass. As far as I know, humans do not think in binary and therefore we could not just turn that into data that would be dumped into our brains, so how would one logically preserve thoughts and memories in the instance of teleportation?


This is more scientific philosophy and theorizing, but I still find it interesting. What do you all think?


Memories are not intangible. If the entire structure of the brain was recreated in its current state, the memories would be in tact. Of course, even if the technology were possible (which it's not due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle).. people would not exactly like the idea of being killed and then recreated somewhere else...
Also, information cannot travel faster than the speed of light either.
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We had a long discussion about this in the PaRD forum some months ago.

Forget about the "faster than light" thing, just teleport at the speed of light. Even if this was possible, would you want to undergo it? They are basically destroying your body and rebuilding it somewhere else. You as a human being are dead, and an exact copy takes your place.

As always, I recommend some of my favorite hard science fiction books as further reading, so for teleportation I would recommend reading Farthest Star by Frederik Pohl and Jack Williamson. In it, they base most of the action on Tachyon particle teleportation. Instead of teleporting the person themselves, what they do is scan every molecule in an object and transmit that data to a recieving device elsewhere. They then build the object with materials they have on site. As for tachyons particles themselves, they are basically any particle that travels faster than the speed of light. It allows for an interesting idea, in that you have to travel slower than light in order to deliver a reciever somewhere, but after the reciever is in place you can teleport anything you want in at faster than the speed of light.
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You guys ever see that movie The Prestige?
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You guys ever see that movie The Prestige?


That was pretty interesting.

Yeah, this whole idea about teleportation brings up a whole 'nother thought: Will we be the same person on the 'other side'.
I guess we really wouldn't be, in the sense of having a "soul". But if every single molecule of your being is still in line, who is to say you won't be the same person?
Very weird to think about.
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Dec 12 2008 10:35pm
I imagine it would be extremely painful as well. I doubt that the organs in your body would function afterwards anyway.
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Imagine the kind of supercomputer you would have to have to be able to reconstruct every atom or molecule in your body in a short amount of time. Not to mention the energy output.
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I read somewhere that they managed to teleport information from an atom to another. I think it was on discoverymagazine or something.

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Imagine the kind of supercomputer you would have to have to be able to reconstruct every atom or molecule in your body in a short amount of time.  Not to mention the energy output.


The body will teleport, but will the soul follow? I don't exactly believe in the concept of soul but here's what I think.

Let's say some supercomputer analyzes you and reconstructs you somewhere else without destructing the original version. You've been cloned, and you "live" in the first body. Now, let's say you die, or the computer eliminates you. A copy of yourself still lives, but YOU are dead. I don't know if you understand what I mean. Nobody will EVER make the difference. But the original you will be dead. That thought freaks me out.

Now, if the supercomputer analyzes and reconstructs you somewhere else, destroying at the same time the original version...It's pretty much the same thing. Because of this, I would never try teleportation.

That is ofc based on the theory that you can only teleport information.

This post was edited by JesperIF on Jan 12 2009 02:51pm
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I read somewhere that they managed to teleport information from an atom to another. I think it was on discoverymagazine or something.



The body will teleport, but will the soul follow? I don't exactly believe in the concept of soul but here's what I think.

Let's say some supercomputer analyzes you and reconstructs you somewhere else without destructing the original version. You've been cloned, and you "live" in the first body. Now, let's say you die, or the computer eliminates you. A copy of yourself still lives, but YOU are dead. I don't know if you understand what I mean. Nobody will EVER make the difference. But the original you will be dead. That thought freaks me out.

Now, if the supercomputer analyzes and reconstructs you somewhere else, destroying at the same time the original version...It's pretty much the same thing. Because of this, I would never try teleportation.

That is ofc based on the theory that you can only teleport information.


If you also find this to be a philosophical problem then I encourage you to read the book I posted.

Farthest Star by Frederik Pohl and Jack Williamson
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