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Quote (WilliGoesInJsp @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:30pm)
interesting theory that the first organism came out of a black hole
could be possible
not proven at all anyways
still weird how the first human were created out of nothing
they cant just " appear " lol


Exactly. There are religions that say that we just 'appeared' but I don't think it's possible. I guess that's why it's called "faith".

That's why I believe in evolution, but where the fuck is any organism going to come from? It can't just form can it?
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Quote (Spira @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 20:29)
What do you think is inside of a black hole?

What if it's just a universe transporter, and it's really nothing to be afraid of? ohmy.gif
It just sucks in light, and planets and everything and just moves up to a different spot.


Hopefully black holes are friendly, cause I could see something like that happening in the future.
Who cares about the economy if we're gonna get eaten by a super black hole?


I just don't see how an 'explosion' creates matter, or our planets. And then how does life begin? How did we even get that first organism?
It would have had to come from somewhere, maybe it got sucked out of somewhere by a black hole ohmy.gif


you'll die before you reach the center...

what irritates me is, that if all the matter once was located in a point or even a very small radius it must have been inside the event horizon of that amout of matter. regarding the general theory of relativity, an infinite amount of time has to pass before a remarkable process occurs there, such as expansion.
am i wrong? ohmy.gif

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Since this is the most probably theory till now, I think this could happen, yes.

However, the fact of this expanding scary a little. I rather believe in that "oscillating" theory. (A picture presents this, at the bottom of post)
This looks more probably. But anyway, no one of us can know it. biggrin.gif

I'm just damn curious about, what caused the first (or only one) Big Bang. ^^ But I think this turned in everyone's mind. happy.gif



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Quote (Spira @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 11:10am)
The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the universe that is best supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation. As used by cosmologists, the term Big Bang generally refers to the idea that the universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past, and continues to expand to this day. - wiki

I know they're running tests to try to recreate a smaller version of the big bang,
if they do, would this disprove several major religions?

If we in fact, recreated the big bang, would this disprove god?

Do you believe the big bang theory actually happened? I kinda want to see which direction this sways.


god will not be disproven until they show what happened BEFORE the big bang. since god would have created the universe, he would essentially have created the big bang.

Quote (njaguar @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 11:13am)
My problem with the Big Bang theory is that it does not account for how a contraction of the universe will occur. Our universe is constantly expanding, and there is nothing known yet that will cause it to start back into a collapse cycle.


whyh did you make a science forum? just stick it on to pard. why have several intellectual forums when you can just put em into one. its not like pard is crowded with topics

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Quote (njaguar @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:32pm)
All sensible logic tells me it's just a LOT of condensed mass.


I can agree with that, but what if there's something more to it?

What if it's a super portal?


Quote (ImoK @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:32pm)
do you believe in both god and the big bang theory?
my knowledge in this area is really basic but my physics teacher is convincing and i believe this is the best theory we have for how our world was created.
in my own opinion i do believe it happened since i'm not religious, give it a while and CERN will soon probably know exactly how the big bang worked




I believe some aspects of both, but I'm not strongly enough into my religion to cry if it's disproved tongue.gif

I just live my life. I'd love to believe one way or another though, and it would be great if either one could be disproved tongue.gif

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Quote (WilliGoesInJsp @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 02:30pm)
would be great if we could speed up things to lightning speed someday, we could visit other galaxies then...


Seeing as how the closest galaxy is hundreds of thousands to the millions of light years away, even traveling at the speed of light, you'd be dead before you got there. This brings up the Einstein theory that when you approach the speed of light, time slows, so you would not age as quickly. Once again, everyone on Earth would be dead though.

Another note: I don't think that anything except photons can handle traveling at that speed, anything else would simply be destroyed.
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Quote (Spira @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 07:34pm)
Exactly. There are religions that say that we just 'appeared' but I don't think it's possible. I guess that's why it's called "faith".

That's why I believe in evolution, but where the fuck is any organism going to come from? It can't just form can it?


Lol yeah. Mind boggling. tongue.gif

Logic would dictate that even if the universe was created by the big bang, what created the big bang?

Maybe the universe is infinite? But how is that even possible? >_<

Wasn't there a theory that the universe itself is a black hole, which goes in a constant cycle of expanding and contracting.

Quote (Kamikizzle @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 07:36pm)
god will not be disproven until they show what happened BEFORE the big bang. since god would have created the universe, he would essentially have created the big bang.


But then what happened before the event that happened before the big bang? What happened before the event that happened before the big bang? biggrin.gif I mean, can the universe even be finite...?

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Lol yeah.  Mind boggling. tongue.gif

Logic would dictate that even if the universe was created by the big bang, what created the big bang? 

Maybe the universe is infinite?  But how is that even possible? >_<

Wasn't there a theory that the universe itself is a black hole, which goes in a constant cycle of expanding and contracting.


our universe is accellerating. meaning it is not slowing down. which rules out a contracting property.

and yes the universe can be finite. if time did not exist, techniquely speaking the events before the big bang could always exsist

but afk, gotta take a final

edit, this is also why this forum should be in pard. notice how quickly science and religion intertwined?

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Quote (Lampee @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:35pm)
you'll die before you reach the center...

what irritates me is, that if all the matter once was located in a point or even a very small radius it must have been inside the event horizon of that amout of matter. regarding the general theory of relativity, an infinite amount of time has to pass before a remarkable process occurs there, such as expansion.
am i wrong? ohmy.gif


How do you know for sure you'll die before reaching to center?

Wouldn't it be trippy if a black hole was a super funnel? Large enough on one side to suck us all in, but then small enough on the other to only pump out one organism?

Quote (Anarkin @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:35pm)
Since this is the most probably theory till now, I think this could happen, yes.

However, the fact of this expanding scary a little. I rather believe in that "oscillating" theory. (A picture presents this, at the bottom of post)
This looks more probably. But anyway, no one of us can know it. biggrin.gif

I'm just damn curious about, what caused the first (or only one) Big Bang. ^^ But I think this turned in everyone's mind. happy.gif

http://cosmo.supernova.hu/kepek/02.jpg


That looks like the funnel I was just describing!
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Quote (Kamikizzle @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 02:38pm)
our universe is accellerating. meaning it is not slowing down. which rules out a contracting property.


Until the acceleration dies out. We could still be on the outward force of the Big Bang and we just wouldn't know it yet. As far as we know, the Universe has not reached its final state of expansion before it could start to contract.


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