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Jun 17 2009 12:07pm
Quote (KrystalS_eEXPipi @ Fri, May 22 2009, 07:20pm)
Science will never be able to explainhow the initial conditions of the universe came to be. Ask any expert on cosmology and astrophysics about this one.  I can tell that you aren't a scientist because you have no idea what you are talking about.  The idea of proving or disproving God is laughable.

I can also tell that you are a novice at best in understanding religion because you don't know the goals of religion.


Hahaha, you haven't even been taught what inflation is in cosmology.

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eanM. Carroll1 and Jennifer Chen1 Contact Information
(1)  Enrico Fermi Institute, Department of Physics, and Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics, University of Chicago, 5640 S. Ellis Avenue, Chicago, IL 60637, USA

Received: 11 May 2005  Published online: 13 October 2005
Abstract  If our universe underwent inflation, its entropy during the inflationary phase was substantially lower than it is today. Because a low-entropy state is less likely to be chosen randomly than a high-entropy one, inflation is unlikely to arise through randomly-chosen initial conditions. To resolve this puzzle, we examine the notion of a natural state for the universe, and argue that it is a nearly-empty spacetime. If empty space has a small vacuum energy, however,inflation can begin spontaneously in this background. This scenario explains why a universe like ours is likely to have begun via a period of inflation, and also provides an origin for the cosmological arrow of time.
Keywords  Cosmology - Inflation - Arrow of time
This work was supported in part by the U.S. Dept. of Energy, the National Science Foundation, the NDSEG Fellowship, and the David and Lucile Packard Foundation.
Second Award in the 2005 Essay Competition of the Gravity Research Foundation. - Ed.


http://www.springerlink.com/content/y22487ku5823w844/

So God "spontaneously" created the beginnings of inflation?

Inflation is the initial condition of the universe.

Read the bolded, this paves the way for your missing "initial conditions of the universe". It is radical, but it is captivating to digest :)
SSs sS s s S S S S s ss S S s s s sS S ss SLAMMED.

This post was edited by Jazz_Thing on Jun 17 2009 12:08pm
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Jun 17 2009 03:19pm
I've stopped trying to reason with religious people a long time ago, they're not good at reasoning and never have been, it's why they became religious in the first place.

This topic means nothing to them~
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Jun 18 2009 06:00am
Quote (Jazz_Thing @ Wed, Jun 17 2009, 06:07pm)
Hahaha, you haven't even been taught what inflation is in cosmology.



http://www.springerlink.com/content/y22487ku5823w844/

So God "spontaneously" created the beginnings of inflation?

Inflation is the initial condition of the universe.

Read the bolded, this paves the way for your missing "initial conditions of the universe". It is radical, but it is captivating to digest :)
SSs sS s  s S S  S  S s ss  S S s s s sS S  ss  SLAMMED.


you cant slame a religios minde :D

there will be allways an argument to reduce dissonance between "facts" and religious "knowledge".

for example adam + eva. in the past it was a fact that man came from adam + eva. If you trace back the ancient tree you will reach adam + eva. Thats what the bible says.

Now, god bless darwin, we know that there is something called evolution. By the process of selection, variation and reproduction species were created, for example homo sapiens.

Evolution vs "inteligent design" doesn't fit at all; still most of the christians accept the darwin theorie.
They bring arguments like "you have to understand the bibel in a correct way. Somebody has created the process of evolution and this one was god, so inteligent design is the right thing, etc etc etc".

Same thing with the beginning of the universe, the beginning of time and so on. Religious models are transform and reinterpreted until they fit together with scientific results.

There allways will be a hypothetic system, bigger than the real system.

sry for my crapy english. Despite of that i hope you can understand what im talking about :D

This post was edited by Wirbelschwein on Jun 18 2009 06:01am
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Jun 18 2009 06:38am
Quote (Jazz_Thing @ Wed, Jun 17 2009, 06:07pm)
Hahaha, you haven't even been taught what inflation is in cosmology.


Its definitely not a conclusive theory and people are now moving away from the inflationary model / chaotic inflationary model. Krystalis is right, the conditions at the beginning of the universe can not be explained by our current understand of physics -- we can come close to seeing what happened at the beginning of the universe, like nano seconds after the big bang -- but not the start of the big bang or obviously before that.
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Jun 18 2009 08:51am
Quote (Jazz_Thing @ Wed, Jun 17 2009, 12:07pm)
Hahaha, you haven't even been taught what inflation is in cosmology.
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I believe she said "..how they [the initial conditions] came to be".

Inflation doesn't explain how the singularity got there.
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Quote (x256xhcx @ Wed, May 20 2009, 12:58pm)
"God(s)" are intagible beings created by people who are too weak to go through each day with certainty and reason. Science will always outsmart religion, prove it wrong, and always win.

47 million years old FTW!!!


Well said...who doesn't want to go to a magical utopia when they die? ; )
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Quote (Lampyrid @ Fri, 19 Jun 2009, 10:53)
Well said...who doesn't want to go to a magical utopia when they die? ; )


lol, as if Science has ever been in the business of proving or disproving religion. :(
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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Fri, Jun 19 2009, 12:54pm)
lol, as if Science has ever been in the business of proving or disproving religion.  :(


Religion is bullshit used for marketing propaganda and scare tactics so the massive legions of retards don't go thinking their way into a rebellion with the government, or what have you.
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