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May 11 2017 05:33am
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Son, just move along. Your betters are having a discussion.


this is Santara: I....see....a.....curve
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this is Santara: http://i26.tinypic.com/10di1qs.jpg I....see....a.....curve


Don't act like I'm playin with you. You're not even smart enough to hold a discussion. Like I said; run along, your betters are having a discussion.
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May 11 2017 10:39am
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The stresses come from compression waves and shock waves of sound. This will occur regardless of altitude and is the result of compressing sound waves the faster you go. The only suspected 747 to exceed mach 1.0 was China Airlines flight 006, and here's what her tail looked like upon landing:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Damaged_empennage_of_China_Airlines_Flight_006-N4522V.JPG

Low Earth orbit doesn't experience this stress because there is no longer an atmosphere for sound waves to propagate.

Why wouldn't I assume this is a normal plane. There is no record of any airline sized aircraft ever that can combine the necessary attributes to make the JNB/SYD transit that could exceed the sound barrier, carry enough fuel, and carry the number of passengers who somehow manage to leave one point and arrive at the other over a distance of 14,558 miles in the allotted time. To "modify" a plane to make the transit is indeed impossible. Such an aircraft would have to have immensely more fuel capacity. A Boeing 747-400 has a max fuel capacity of 57,000 US gallons, which allows a max range of 7155 nautical miles, assuming it is filled to the brim with fuel. Considering the massively higher fuel burn rate to travel a hypothetical supersonic speed, and the greater distance, you would easily have to more than double the fuel capacity while still being able to load a full load of passengers and cargo, and it still has to get off the ground! I've heard a 747 takeoff for Tokyo from MSP over my house, and you can literally hear the aircraft strain to get into the air. An extra 57,000+ gallons of fuel will add almost 400,000 pounds to the takeoff weight. There's simply no way such an aircraft is possible with current technology.


If it was A plane ( as in any random one) ok, but however there's only one plane that does this special route and it only flies three days a week and every ball earth troller talks about it and claims they have been on it, so they're obviously full of shit because they have no proof or evidence they were even on the flight and whether it even the route exists all the time is very suspicious at best, not many people would fly that route so the idea they need a single plane to make this fantastic route when the market demand is so low, it points to its existence being for another purpose, to keep up the myth, aka plausible deniability.

That the plane may be modified with using stronger grade titanium seems very likely, most of these "normal" planes are made with fiberglass and aluminum and are rather flimsy to any stress. To modify a single plane or a few seems very probable.

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May 11 2017 10:43am
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If it was A plane ( as in any random one) ok, but however there's only plane that does this special route and it only flies three days a week and every ball earth troller talks about it and claims they have been on it, so their obviously full of shit because they have no proof or evidence they were even on the flight and whether it even the route exists all the time is very suspicious at best, not many people would fly that route so the idea they need a single plane to make this fantastic route when the market demand is so low, it points to its existence being for another purpose, to keep up the myth, aka plausible deniability.


TPE-LAX = a special route? There are five non-stops A DAY between Taipei and Los Angeles. 3x EVA Air and 2x China Airlines.

You know what the first rule is when you find yourself in a hole?

Stop digging.
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May 11 2017 10:53am
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TPE-LAX = a special route? There are five non-stops A DAY between Taipei and Los Angeles. 3x EVA Air and 2x China Airlines.

You know what the first rule is when you find yourself in a hole?

Stop digging.


see, this is what happens when simpletons join the conversations and make assumptions to hide their ignorance, nowhere did i say i was talking about that flight - the special route i was refering to is Santiago to Sydney and it was discussed in this video from the last page



but since you only clicked this page to make a 3 second incorrect comment - ill chalk up your lack of social skills to a low attention span.
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May 11 2017 11:39am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Emission_Hyper_Sonic_Transport


"It can be seen as a descendant of the Concorde airliner capable of flying at more than Mach 4 (four times the speed of sound).[4] The aircraft is projected to carry 50 to 100 people 32 km above the ground.
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May 11 2017 11:56am
Quote (card_sultan @ May 11 2017 09:39am)
If it was A plane ( as in any random one) ok, but however there's only one plane that does this special route and it only flies three days a week and every ball earth troller talks about it and claims they have been on it, so they're obviously full of shit because they have no proof or evidence they were even on the flight and whether it even the route exists all the time is very suspicious at best, not many people would fly that route so the idea they need a single plane to make this fantastic route when the market demand is so low, it points to its existence being for another purpose, to keep up the myth, aka plausible deniability.

That the plane may be modified with using stronger grade titanium seems very likely, most of these "normal" planes are made with fiberglass and aluminum and are rather flimsy to any stress. To modify a single plane or a few seems very probable.


Quote (card_sultan @ May 11 2017 10:39am)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Emission_Hyper_Sonic_Transport


"It can be seen as a descendant of the Concorde airliner capable of flying at more thanMach 4(four times the speed of sound).[4] The aircraft is projected to carry 50 to 100 people 32 km above the ground.


The range of the Concorde is 4500 miles, with only 100 passengers on board. The 747-400 that Qantas flies on this route can carry 660 passengers, and their luggage.
Nobody is saying that it's impossible to fly faster than the speed of sound. We have lots of aircraft that can do that. We are saying that commercial jets like the 747 can't fly faster than the speed of sound.
And there's no aircraft in existence that can carry that many passengers that far. Take a look at the distance records that have been set.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_distance_record
The only two records that ever beat the distance we are talking about were both custom-made single-person aircraft specifically designed to fly ONE guy as far as they could. That's it. Nobody has ever built an aircraft capable of doing what you think Qantas does 3 times a week.
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May 11 2017 01:49pm
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The range of the Concorde is 4500 miles, with only 100 passengers on board. The 747-400 that Qantas flies on this route can carry 660 passengers, and their luggage.
Nobody is saying that it's impossible to fly faster than the speed of sound. We have lots of aircraft that can do that. We are saying that commercial jets like the 747 can't fly faster than the speed of sound.
And there's no aircraft in existence that can carry that many passengers that far. Take a look at the distance records that have been set.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_distance_record
The only two records that ever beat the distance we are talking about were both custom-made single-person aircraft specifically designed to fly ONE guy as far as they could. That's it. Nobody has ever built an aircraft capable of doing what you think Qantas does 3 times a week.


Im not saying that it is a concord - but the possibility of some type of hybrid between regular passenger airplanes and a concord is a possibility especially when we're only talking about a single or at most a few planes.

The idea that you know absolutely everything because its all on the internet (and considering some other the other ludicrous opinions you offer) just confirms that you are and always will be a slave to the ball and is nothing more than your typical complete Bs.

In fact, I'm sure you think that's how the world work, as soon as anyone in the Military learns anything, they rush home and post it on the internet where it is thoroughly debated and/or scientifically approved.

You're probably one of the guys who wonders why we still need Doctors, you can just look up info on www.health.com

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May 11 2017 01:54pm
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however there's only one plane that does this special route and it only flies three days a week


This is an extraordinary claim with no foundation, especially considering there is publicly available information that there are multiple different 747-400 aircraft that have flown this route, and the flights between cities fly daily. Also, flights leaving Perth on the other side of the continent can be observed on radar flying the same path to/from JNB. You can go on flightradar24.com right now and track SA281 westbound from Perth (but not for much longer, it's going to leave radar range for about 6-8 hours). I remember watching the eastbound flight last night, flight SA280.

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every ball earth troller talks about it and claims they have been on it,


You can't name a single person here who has claimed to have been on that route.

Quote (card_sultan @ May 11 2017 11:39am)
whether it even the route exists all the time is very suspicious at best, not many people would fly that route so the idea they need a single plane to make this fantastic route when the market demand is so low, it points to its existence being for another purpose, to keep up the myth, aka plausible deniability.


Suspicious? Suspicious to you because it flies directly in the face of your worldview maybe. Just because YOU can't think of why people would want to fly that route doesn't mean other people can't. You are arguing from incredulity again. I can think of a great reason why people would want to fly between the cities: where would you rather take a vacation? Somewhere in Africa or somewhere in Australia? I bet lots of people want to leave Africa for a vacation in Australia. And if you think this is about plausible deniability, I'll be happy to run some numbers between a different pair of southern hemisphere cities and we can come to the same conclusion. Which cities would you like me to compare?

Quote (card_sultan @ May 11 2017 11:39am)
That the plane may be modified with using stronger grade titanium seems very likely, most of these "normal" planes are made with fiberglass and aluminum and are rather flimsy to any stress. To modify a single plane or a few seems very probable.


Titanium is heavier than aluminum on a volume basis, but even if it weren't, shaving a few thousand pounds from the airframe doesn't make up for having to carry that much more fuel. This magical plane you're trying to concoct has to get off the ground. The current maximum takeoff weight of a 747 is something like 885,000 pounds. You think adding 400,000+ pounds is a simple venture?
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May 11 2017 02:07pm
Quote (Santara @ May 11 2017 09:54am)
This is an extraordinary claim with no foundation, especially considering there is publicly available information that there are multiple different 747-400 aircraft that have flown this route, and the flights between cities fly daily. Also, flights leaving Perth on the other side of the continent can be observed on radar flying the same path to/from JNB. You can go on flightradar24.com right now and track SA281 westbound from Perth (but not for much longer, it's going to leave radar range for about 6-8 hours). I remember watching the eastbound flight last night, flight SA280.



You can't name a single person here who has claimed to have been on that route.



Suspicious? Suspicious to you because it flies directly in the face of your worldview maybe. Just because YOU can't think of why people would want to fly that route doesn't mean other people can't. You are arguing from incredulity again. I can think of a great reason why people would want to fly between the cities: where would you rather take a vacation? Somewhere in Africa or somewhere in Australia? I bet lots of people want to leave Africa for a vacation in Australia. And if you think this is about plausible deniability, I'll be happy to run some numbers between a different pair of southern hemisphere cities and we can come to the same conclusion. Which cities would you like me to compare?



Titanium is heavier than aluminum on a volume basis, but even if it weren't, shaving a few thousand pounds from the airframe doesn't make up for having to carry that much more fuel. This magical plane you're trying to concoct has to get off the ground. The current maximum takeoff weight of a 747 is something like 885,000 pounds. You think adding 400,000+ pounds is a simple venture?


What foundation are you talking about - we cant even find out if Trump coluded with Putin, the military is full of secrets and lies as well and your just a product of their system where your taught to never question authority. Fuck that I say, you got shit for authority and lots of people are asking.

Whose claimed to be on that route - every ball earth troll on goggle hangouts whenever the topic comes up. One person that i remember their name used the fake internet alias name of tim osman, a confirmed psychopath.

It seems fishy because it is fishy, that you dont know a fishy smell is not surprising considering your a ball lover. :rofl:

That last phrase is just another example of your farcical logic - why would adding a few thousand pounds allow you to logically go one to conclude that means 400,000 lbs :wacko:

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