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May 10 2017 12:11pm
Quote (card_sultan @ May 10 2017 10:47am)
Not true - Nasa claims to fly their "planes" at 17,500 mph in low earth orbit with no fuel - so debunked :bonk:


Yes, NASA has launched a Boeing 747 into low earth orbit. Totally. You aren't retarded at all.
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May 10 2017 01:08pm
Quote (russian @ May 10 2017 08:10am)
Do you even read your own posts? Do you understand what you actually posted there? It says that at higher altitude, temperature decreases. When temperature decreases, so does the speed of sound. Your own post states that Mach is a lower speed at higher altitude. Jesus, I can't make this shit up.



Jesus should strike you down for being so foolish. See this is just an example of your bad english skills, if you actually understood words you'd see it says that the true airspeed associated with a given Mach changes, not that mach decreases.
It means that a plane could be going 1000 mph and still be at Mach .88
Over and over again you show your bad understanding, please take a english class.



Quote (russian @ May 10 2017 08:10am)
Because it was the closest airport to their flight path.
http://i65.tinypic.com/nzmv5s.jpg
What's the problem?


Doesn't Japan have airport that woulda been closer? Didnt think of that did you - another example of your dopey logic.




The flight decision makes perfect sense on a Flat Earth Map, thanks for playing though, your mindless logic was an almost given.

Quote (russian @ May 10 2017 08:10am)
Yeah, because the number of flights isn't governed by laws of physics, but laws of supply and demand. Many more people fly just between Australia and US or Chile and US, than between Australia and Chile. There are not enough people flying from Sydney to Santiago to run more than 1 flight.
The 30 multiple stop flights are possible ways of getting from Sydney to Santiago, but each leg is a separate, independent flight. I can make a route showing how to fly from San Francisco to LA in 10 stops if I wanted to, but it doesn't mean you actually NEED to make 10 stops for the journey.
And no, the actual real non-stop flight doesn't use any special aircraft. But you are welcome to prove otherwise.



Another example of your half baked thinking, the fact there is only one flight non stop compared to 30 multiple stop flights is proof that makes complete sense of the flat earth map and is proof of your desperation to hold on to a fake globe theory. #ThreadOfHope

You claim - "The non-stop flight doesn't use any special aircraft" - so you got any proof of that - the burden of proof is on you to make the claim that you definitely know - other you dont know because your full of bs.

This post was edited by card_sultan on May 10 2017 01:21pm
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May 10 2017 01:27pm
Quote (Santara @ May 10 2017 08:11am)
Quantification of "mach" at lower altitudes: http://www.fighter-planes.com/jetmach1.htm
Proof of why this is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound



...and as I hope you can figure out, as you increase altitude, you decrease the air's density. When you decrease the medium's density, you slow the speed of sound.
I suppose I should make sure you understand that the speed of sound is mach 1.0.

Before I address the remainder of your points, I want to be sure I am not going to waste my time. Do you accept this as proof that the speed of sound at high altitude is lower than at sea level? Yes or no?


So do you understand what this means:

https://www.quora.com/Do-airplanes-fly-faster-at-higher-altitudes

“As altitude increases, air temperature decreases. The speed of sound in air varies directly with temperature, so as temperature decreases, so does the true airspeed associated with a given Mach.
As aircraft climb to the transition zone at a constant indicated airspeed (the speed shown on their instruments), their true airspeed (actual speed through the air) increases. This is because as air gets thinner it has less impact on the sensors that drive the airspeed indicators, so for a given indicated airspeed, true airspeed increases with altitude. So, Yes.”

Maybe you can explain it , in your own words, so we know you understand it.

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May 10 2017 02:23pm
Quote (card_sultan @ May 10 2017 12:08pm)
Jesus should strike you down for being so foolish. See this is just an example of your bad english skills, if you actually understood words you'd see it says that the true airspeed associated with a given Mach changes, not that mach decreases.
It means that a plane could be going 1000 mph and still be at Mach .88
Over and over again you show your bad understanding, please take a english class.


Read this out loud, maybe that will help
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as temperature decreases, so does the true airspeed associated with a given Mach


Read it a few times. Notice how it says "as temperature decreases, so does airspeed". That means airspeed decreases. When it says "airspeed decreases" that means it decreases. Not that it changes and could be increasing, but that it specifically decreases. Not sure how to explain it any clearer than that.
Honestly, I thought you were just challenged in the physics and math department. Like, maybe you are more of a social sciences kinda person. But more and more I'm coming to the realization that you are simply just plain dumb.
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May 10 2017 02:51pm
Quote (russian @ May 10 2017 10:23am)
Read this out loud, maybe that will help


Read it a few times. Notice how it says "as temperature decreases, so does airspeed". That means airspeed decreases. When it says "airspeed decreases" that means it decreases. Not that it changes and could be increasing, but that it specifically decreases. Not sure how to explain it any clearer than that.
Honestly, I thought you were just challenged in the physics and math department. Like, maybe you are more of a social sciences kinda person. But more and more I'm coming to the realization that you are simply just plain dumb.


see how inane you are - the "decreases" doesn't continue its meaning because there is a comma in the sentence.

Where does it say "airspeed decreases" - it doesn't - you only think it does because your seeing the word "decreases" in the previous segment and not understanding what the comma does.

Take your sentence

"Read this out loud, maybe that will help"

Does loud, continue its meaning when you also say "maybe that will help"?

So are you saying that loudly?

Or is it two separate ideas loosely connected by a comma.

once you learn to read, you;ll understand that you're just conflating meaning from a previous word and the full segment is actually "so does the true airspeed associated with a given Mach."

That means the airspeed increases, read it again a few times

also this

https://www.quora.com/Do-airplanes-fly-faster-at-higher-altitudes

“As altitude increases, air temperature decreases. The speed of sound in air varies directly with temperature, so as temperature decreases, so does the true airspeed associated with a given Mach.
As aircraft climb to the transition zone at a constant indicated airspeed (the speed shown on their instruments), their true airspeed (actual speed through the air) increases. This is because as air gets thinner it has less impact on the sensors that drive the airspeed indicators, so for a given indicated airspeed, true airspeed increases with altitude.

This is just another example of you trying to shift the goalposts by taking a word that is not there and assuming meaning by conflating your poor understanding.

This post was edited by card_sultan on May 10 2017 02:59pm
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May 10 2017 03:02pm
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Bottom line, Yes, up to the transition zone, aircraft fly faster as altitude increases, then, No, they fly slower as altitude increases.


From the article card posted, so ofc for planes to fly faster at high altitudes they would have to burn more fuel. So ofc they fly at an altitude above the transition zone to save fuel at lower actual speeds.

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May 10 2017 03:31pm
Quote (card_sultan @ May 10 2017 01:51pm)
see how inane you are - the "decreases" doesn't continue its meaning because there is a comma in the sentence.

Where does it say "airspeed decreases" - it doesn't - you only think it does because your seeing the word "decreases" in the previous segment and not understanding what the comma does.

Take your sentence

"Read this out loud, maybe that will help"

Does loud, continue its meaning when you also say "maybe that will help"?

So are you saying that loudly?

Or is it two separate ideas loosely connected by a comma.

once you learn to read, you;ll understand that you're just conflating meaning from a previous word and the full segment is actually "so does the true airspeed associated with a given Mach."

That means the airspeed increases, read it again a few times

also this

https://www.quora.com/Do-airplanes-fly-faster-at-higher-altitudes

“As altitude increases, air temperature decreases. The speed of sound in air varies directly with temperature, so as temperature decreases, so does the true airspeed associated with a given Mach.
As aircraft climb to the transition zone at a constant indicated airspeed (the speed shown on their instruments), their true airspeed (actual speed through the air) increases. This is because as air gets thinner it has less impact on the sensors that drive the airspeed indicators, so for a given indicated airspeed, true airspeed increases with altitude.

This is just another example of you trying to shift the goalposts by taking a word that is not there and assuming meaning by conflating your poor understanding.


Holy crap, I honestly hope you don't actually think this.

https://www.englishforums.com/English/AsSo/cqxkv/post.htm
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This pattern is fine grammatically. It's used to show that two events (expressed by the same verb) happen in parallel.

As the price of X increases, so does the price of Y.

Meaning:
As the price of X increases, the price of Y also increases.



https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/so

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conjunction
You use the structures as...so and just as...so when you want to indicate that two events or situations are similar in some way.
- As computer systems become even more sophisticated, so too do the methods of those who exploit the technology.
- Just as John has changed, so has his wife.


https://www.englishforums.com/English/AsSo/bkpzr/post.htm
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As...so expresses a mirrored relationship that otherwise might be merely comparative.
'As interest rates rise, so does my blood-pressure'-- gives even an impression of cause-and-effect.


I can't believe I'm explaining this. How do you get through your daily life with such a massive handicap?
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Quote (russian @ May 10 2017 11:31am)
Holy crap, I honestly hope you don't actually think this.

https://www.englishforums.com/English/AsSo/cqxkv/post.htm



https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/so



https://www.englishforums.com/English/AsSo/bkpzr/post.htm


I can't believe I'm explaining this. How do you get through your daily life with such a massive handicap?


As the price of x decreases, the price of y increases -

the statement does not infer the meaning "also decreases" to the next segment in the sentence, its simply your conflating your bias with your lack of understanding.

Now if it was a semi colon - you might have a point but we won't get into actual grammar, that would probably be to hard at this point.

Is english your first language, cause i know different languages can have different nuances.

This post was edited by card_sultan on May 10 2017 04:16pm
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May 10 2017 04:38pm
Figured I should update the vid vs pic thread view score:
4550 to 900 in favour of pic thread.
When is this riding trend of popularity for the vid thread going to kick in, surely these are just a statistical anomaly.
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May 10 2017 04:40pm
Quote (card_sultan @ May 10 2017 03:10pm)
As the price of x decreases, the price of y increases -

the statement does not infer the meaning "also decreases" to the next segment in the sentence, its simply your conflating your bias with your lack of understanding.

Now if it was a semi colon - you might have a point but we won't get into actual grammar, that would probably be to hard at this point.

Is english your first language, cause i know different languages can have different nuances.


I'm being trolled right now, right? There's just no way. No way.
Santara, is card trolling me?
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