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May 21 2017 08:16pm
Quote (card_sultan @ 22 May 2017 02:42)

Video clearly explains why the sun does go past the horizon and appears to set
you just clearly dont understand it.
The size does not change much because angular size changes more - the closer you are to an objects plane of existence, if car travels away from you 0 it get drastically smaller very fast while an airplane travelling across the entire sky will not change its size and the suin is ever higher than an airplane,



We all know that objects appear to get smaller as they get further from the observer.
This doesn't happen with the Sun. You are telling us that the Sun disappears at the end of the day only because it gets too far away for us to see it.
=> Why doesn't the Sun get progressively smaller until it's just a tiny speck before becoming so tiny we can't see it? And when it does disappear, why can't we see it again by using binoculars or a telescope?
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May 21 2017 08:28pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 22 2017 09:39am)
The sun would get closer and closer to the horizon the further away it gets but it won't go below it since nothing is causing the light to curve.


watch the video again, then watch it again. It may take a while before you understand it. Yes, the sun is moving further away, until it reaches the vanishing point. It is not setting below the horizon, it has reached the vanishing point and is no longer in your field of vision (that is perspective)

This is the reason they won't teach it in schools, it will conflict with the indoctrination.
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May 21 2017 08:34pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 21 2017 04:13pm)
I understand how the sun would appear to set, but using the logic you've shown the sun would never go BELOW the horizon. We would never have a black night sky the way we observe if you were correct.

In addition the sun would never vanish from view if you were significantly higher than the plane of the flat earth, say on a mountain.


If you actually understand how the Sun only appears to set, then once the sun optically leaves your perspective - it gets dark - shocking right.
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 21 2017 04:16pm)
We all know that objects appear to get smaller as they get further from the observer.
This doesn't happen with the Sun. You are telling us that the Sun disappears at the end of the day only because it gets too far away for us to see it.
=> Why doesn't the Sun get progressively smaller until it's just a tiny speck before becoming so tiny we can't see it? And when it does disappear, why can't we see it again by using binoculars or a telescope?


What you are taking about only happens to objects in the same plane as us, the higher the plane they are in this effect is drastically reduced - at 3000 mile (the distance most Fe's put the Sun at) the effect is not noticeable.

Once you get into it more and know understand atmospheric, cloud and land blocking - then you ll understand that particular sunsets do actually show the sun get smaller and smaller but you need the right conditions
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May 21 2017 08:34pm
Quote (ChivasRegal @ May 21 2017 08:28pm)
watch the video again, then watch it again. It may take a while before you understand it. Yes, the sun is moving further away, until it reaches the vanishing point. It is not setting below the horizon, it has reached the vanishing point and is no longer in your field of vision (that is perspective)

This is the reason they won't teach it in schools, it will conflict with the indoctrination.


Things don't disappear when they reach the vanishing point. They converge at the vanishing point. The term is kind of a misnomer in that regard.

If one of the objects was a bright light it will continue to be visible even after it appears to have converged with the horizon, as long as it doesn't go under the horizon.


There's also the issue where, under your model, the sun should get smaller as the day goes by and the sun gets further away, but it doesn't. Things going to the vanishing point get smaller and smaller, but we never see the sun go to a vanishing point. We actually see it go under the horizon, bottom first.

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May 21 2017 08:46pm
Quote (card_sultan @ 22 May 2017 03:34)
If you actually understand how the Sun only appears to set, then once the sun optically leaves your perspective - it gets dark - shocking right.

What you are taking about only happens to objects in the same plane as us, the higher the plane they are in this effect is drastically reduced - at 3000 mile (the distance most Fe's put the Sun at) the effect is not noticeable.

Once you get into it more and know understand atmospheric, cloud and land blocking - then you ll understand that particular sunsets do actually show the sun get smaller and smaller but you need the right conditions


you didnt answered to first question :

=> Why doesn't the Sun get progressively smaller until it's just a tiny speck before becoming so tiny we can't see it?

And also, since you say the sun is at 3000 miles...


HOW CAN YOU GET A SUNSET WITH THAT BOY ?



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May 21 2017 08:48pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 21 2017 04:34pm)
Things don't disappear when they reach the vanishing point. They converge at the vanishing point. The term is kind of a misnomer in that regard.

If one of the objects was a bright light it will continue to be visible even after it appears to have converged with the horizon, as long as it doesn't go under the horizon.


There's also the issue where, under your model, the sun should get smaller as the day goes by and the sun gets further away, but it doesn't. Things going to the vanishing point get smaller and smaller, but we never see the sun go to a vanishing point. We actually see it go under the horizon, bottom first.


The sky plane and the flat plane we live on do not converge - at least we do not see that - the sky plane extends further but is hidden behind the ramping optical view of our physical flat plane.

Your second point is exactly what Sauccison6000 has been asking about, so read what i said there or watch this video.

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May 21 2017 09:07pm
Quote (card_sultan @ May 21 2017 08:48pm)
The sky plane and the flat plane we live on do not converge - at least we do not see that - the sky plane extends further but is hidden behind the ramping optical view of our physical flat plane.

Your second point is exactly what Sauccison6000 has been asking about, so read what i said there or watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq5ixQytLXE


The video doesn't show why the sun doesn't become a dot. All objects going to the "vanishing point" should end up being the same size as they get further away. Things further up shrink less relative to their starting size because they have less to shrink, but ultimately it would reach the same size as anything else that "vanishes".
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May 21 2017 09:10pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 21 2017 04:46pm)
you didnt answered to first question :

=> Why doesn't the Sun get progressively smaller until it's just a tiny speck before becoming so tiny we can't see it?

And also, since you say the sun is at 3000 miles...


HOW CAN YOU GET A SUNSET WITH THAT BOY ?
http://i.imgur.com/a2CLUC4.png


you could just watch that video and learn why you are wrong or i made a nice picture for you to look at since that seems like the amount of time you wish to spend learning

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May 21 2017 09:13pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 21 2017 05:07pm)
The video doesn't show why the sun doesn't become a dot. All objects going to the "vanishing point" should end up being the same size as they get further away. Things further up shrink less relative to their starting size because they have less to shrink, but ultimately it would reach the same size as anything else that "vanishes".


Because its not in the same plane as you, further objects that are higher up, dont change is size that much - wtf cant you understand about that?

When an airplane crosses the sky, do they get super big when they are above you - or do they look the same size as they cross the sky in their completely flat flightpath.

Did you ever take an art class - if you did i bet you failed right?

your probably watching that video but not actually learning anything - just looking for your confirmation bias because you're convinced your right even though your completely wrong.

You're not ready yet dude, when your ready, it ll make sense to you.

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May 21 2017 09:26pm
Quote (card_sultan @ May 21 2017 09:13pm)
Because its not in the same plane as you, further objects that are higher up, dont change is size that much - wtf cant you understand about that?

When an airplane crosses the sky, do they get super big when they are above you - or do they look the same size as they cross the sky in their completely flat flightpath.

Did you ever take an art class - if you did i bet you failed right?

your probably watching that video but not actually learning anything - just looking for your confirmation bias because you're convinced your right even though your completely wrong.

You're not ready yet dude, when your ready, it ll make sense to you.


You should rewatch the video. He says they don't change as much relative to their initial size.

You should also go actually look at planes, they do eventually get small enough you can't see them. It might take longer than if they were on the ground, but it still happens.
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