Burning water? No idea about any of that, but if you deny that oil companies suppress greener methods of energy only to secure profits for as long as possible, you are very mistaken.


@2nd bold - IT'S TRUE. I ONCE LISTENED TO A RAPPER WHO SAID

you arent supposed to be able to buy your meat at a grocery store, you are supposed to hunt and gather, bad bad grocery store

what else

you arent supposed to have sex b4 marriage..therefore you are bad.

etc etc

what if its not a "hallucination" but an extension of the brains processes

This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Oct 3 2013 01:25am

you have the worst counter examples i have ever seen in my life.

Dreams are hallucinations...Correct me if I am wrong, but that is pretty damned natural. (the fact that they are natural doesn't actually matter, but I'm just going to argue using your thinking scheme)
DMT trips are just self-induced dreams, with more intensity due to the extra burst.

Near death experiences cause hallucinations..correct me if I am wrong, but that is pretty damned normal, and comforting for most who go through the situations. Usually resulting in an appreciation for life, a new found spirituality (can have positive and negatives), and a feeling that the second chance was a gift and must be appreciated, resulting in self progression.


I'm so tired of hearing the worn out praising of all things natural.
We are so fucking unnatural (Well, in the sense that the word is normally used) it is outlandish for you to claim that because they 'aren't supposed to happen' that they are bad. You're being on the internet on your computer created in a factory created by raping the Earth and all of her resources is pretty 'unnatural'...Yet you still do it.
I think we should be much more intolerant of raping our habitat in the fucking eye socket, rather than having an intolerance for inducing extra amounts of a naturally occuring chemical into our own bodies for our own personal purposes.



The entire idea of hallucinations being only that of which are not our given perspective of our world is ridiculous.
It's not a hallucination, it's another perspective. Your mind creates your universe, and it only exists as long as you allow it to.
Such as being on LSD, when the lights begin spiraling out, and the walls begin to breathe, and everything is alive, that is not simply a hallucination as you believe it to be, that shit is there. That shit is real. It is just not visible to the normal human eye. Just as many things are invisible to the human eye, that should be common knowledge. Degrees of light, The air that surrounds you, dark matter, it goes on.


This post was edited by Tylr on Oct 3 2013 01:40am

near death experiences aren't normal......getting that close to death is about as abnormal as you can get.

dreams and hallucinations are very different. dreams are perceived completely differently than hallucinations by the brain. do you ever recall a dream you thought was real and really happened? compare that to a dmt experience that seems to actually be happening according to your mind.

what random people find "meaningful" has nothing to do with anything. if you take life lessons from abnormal brain functions then you need to get a grip.

edit: and look how much unnatural shit is bad for you. the reason its natural is because its supposed to be that way therefore it fits.

arsenic is naturally occurring...i don't see anyone lining up to put that into their bodies. you need to stop comparing drug use to shit that is on a completely different level.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Oct 3 2013 01:40am

How is that abnormal in any way?


Do I recall a dream that I thought was real? Yes..Every damn night. You believe the dream is real until you awake from it. As long as you are aware of the dream while inside of it, you do not question it, you don't think "This is a dream." The second you wake up from it, though, you're aware. If one day, we fell into a deep sleep, a dream lasting for eternity, there would be no difference felt. You would not be aware that everything you live in is only the creations of your mind, all situations generated by your mind, and every aspect of the world is created by another mind. (This is why the "life is but a dream" philosophy is not pseudo bullshit, it has beautiful truth to it.) Same can go for a trip, though sometimes the visuals and events can change perspectives. My friend is very aware that his inspiration for changing his religious beliefs all occurred under the influence of DMT, and all viewed situations were created only by his own mind, but they gave him a perspective that he does not reject while sober.


At the edit...

What the fuck are you talking about?
You are the one that just claimed "Hallucinations are not natural, therefore they are bad."
I'm not fucking claiming DMT is good only because it is natural...If you can't comprehend such a simple argument that I just posted than there is honestly no hope for you, especially since I was arguing against the "natural is good." ideal, along with the "unnatural is bad" one. Everything simply is.

This post was edited by Tylr on Oct 3 2013 01:53am

so what, are you saying you believed the rest?

Naw, I bolded the oil company one because I don't understand why you would claim that as just another 'conspiracy theory'

but what is likely huh? if for thousands of years we have been looking at the "likely" options do you think its time to look at the "unlikely"

because there are lots of people that believe that non-sense ("that it is possible to run a car by burning water, but the oil companies suppress the knowledge").