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Aug 6 2010 01:14pm
Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 6 2010 08:19am)

If you're a vegetarian, you would be against eating fish as well. Fish are in no way treated humanely either, we catch them and let them suffocate.

Im not saying that all u would eat is lettuce or spinach leaves, but being vegetarian and vegan is very limiting in food choices.

Also, if you were doing this for health, you would not eat any soy products; or at least very few. Just about every form of soy is highly processed, and not to mention, genetically modifed; which is bad news for everyone.

Im not saying that u cant balance your macronutrient ratios being a vegetarian; it can be done; but you cannot deny that it would be more difficult than being omnivorious


Being a vegetarian is not very limiting in food choices. There are only a few types of meat out there that one can eat, while there are far more vegetables and fruit and legumes and nuts etc... than meat.

All of the soy that I've eaten has not harmed me in the least.

Getting nutrients as a vegetarian is just as easy as an omnivore. No matter what diet you have you're going to have to balance it with supplements to get optimal nutrition.
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Aug 6 2010 03:58pm
Quote (Toothfariy @ Aug 6 2010 04:19am)
If you're a vegetarian, you would be against eating fish as well. Fish are in no way treated humanely either, we catch them and let them suffocate.

Im not saying that all u would eat is lettuce or spinach leaves, but being vegetarian and vegan is very limiting in food choices.

Also, if you were doing this for health, you would not eat any soy products; or at least very few. Just about every form of soy is highly processed, and not to mention, genetically modifed; which is bad news for everyone.

Im not saying that u cant balance your macronutrient ratios being a vegetarian; it can be done; but you cannot deny that it would be more difficult than being omnivorious


I'm not a vegetarian, I eat meat.

I however avoid red meat, and am picky on what kind of chicken I eat. I love fish.

I don't eat too much soy, unless maybe once a month I'll get a soy meal out of curiosity. I hadn't previously considered the processing aspect, now I know.


Oh the other hand, having a balanced diet as a veggie is actually a lot easier then you give it credit for. 90% of the time I eat as a pescatarian would, and my older sister's been a veggie for about 13 years.



@AETheric

The "Soy hasn't hurt me" comment may not go too far. Someone who's tanned their whole life can say the sun's never hurt them, little do they know they are potentially unaware of spot of melanoma on their back.

This post was edited by Black487 on Aug 6 2010 04:02pm
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Aug 7 2010 01:31pm
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Being a vegetarian is not very limiting in food choices. There are only a few types of meat out there that one can eat, while there are far more vegetables and fruit and legumes and nuts etc... than meat.

All of the soy that I've eaten has not harmed me in the least.

Getting nutrients as a vegetarian is just as easy as an omnivore. No matter what diet you have you're going to have to balance it with supplements to get optimal nutrition.


There are tons of meats u can eat. Pork, Beef, Aligator, Rabbit, Duck, Venison, etc. There may be more things that are not meat; however if you are open to eatting meat, then you have that many more choices. If you are an omnivore, you will eat not just meat, but all the things you mentioned as well.

Black487 is right; just because it hasn't harmed you yet does not mean it wont later. Chances are the soy you are eattin is genetically modifed. I would invite you to read some of Dr. Russell Blaylocks research on the effects of GMO foods on humans. After 3 generations of rats being fed this; 97% were completely sterile; many were being born with deformities. Just stop to consider the fact that if you have a plant that is "immune" to pesticide, then the plant will absorb it and store it; and you will inevitably eat that pestcide as well.

You do not need supplements to optimize your nutrition. This is why I believe metabolic typing works so well; each person will need a different macro and micronutrient ratio than the next person. If you eat right for your metabolic type, you will be excellent. This is why i said before that since my metabolic type is fast oxidizer (protien & fats type), i could never be a vegetarian. If you are a slow oxidizer (carb type), then you would probably do really well on a vegetarian diet.
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Aug 9 2010 12:00pm
I know many vegetarians and vegans follow the writings of Dr. Campbell and his writings in The China Study. The doctors observational work seems to have come under heavy unfavorable review of late. I thought Dr Eades had a nice write up what is going on with the controversial China Study.

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cancer/the-china-study-vs-the-china-study/

Personally, I eat a low carb/ paleo diet and feel healthier for it. Also my lab reports on different health parameters are better also.
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Aug 9 2010 12:37pm
The case is that some people can't afford buying meat
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Aug 9 2010 08:17pm
Meat made humans evolve into smarter creatures.
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Aug 11 2010 12:48am
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Meat made humans evolve into smarter creatures.


It's possible to get a high calorie diet w/o meat. We're not hunter gatherers anymore.

You're appealing to something that was relevant at the dawn of man.

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Aug 11 2010 03:48am
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It's possible to get a high calorie diet w/o meat.  We're not hunter gatherers anymore.

You're appealing to something that was relevant at the dawn of man.


actually its more or less saying meat and mankind go hand in hand. we eat it because its what we've been eating for a very long time. people will want what they want and there is nothing we can do to change that.
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Aug 11 2010 11:57am
Quote (Psycho- @ Aug 11 2010 05:48am)
actually its more or less saying meat and mankind go hand in hand. we eat it because its what we've been eating for a very long time. people will want what they want and there is nothing we can do to change that.


Nobody's suggesting a ban on meat. Or rather, that's not what I'm suggesting.

I'm just admitting that it's not necessary in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet.
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Aug 11 2010 02:17pm
Quote (Black487 @ Aug 11 2010 12:57pm)
Nobody's suggesting a ban on meat.  Or rather, that's not what I'm suggesting. 

I'm just admitting that it's not necessary in maintaining a healthy, balanced diet.


idk why but i was thinking you was the guy saying eating meat should be gone altogether. ya i agree that its not necessary anymore but i still like a nice steak lol.
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