It's OK, man. I realize you are probably really frustrated because to you it seems like everyone else is super dumb and can't see this obvious flaw that completely destroys their argument. But we can't make you understand how it all works, so you'll (possibly forever) think that it can't work and doesn't make sense. To you it's an obvious problem that can't be overcome, but to us it's a laughable non-issue that we never even thought someone might struggle to understand. We tried explaining it a couple different ways, but it clearly wasn't successful.

Another problem is that you don't really want to understand. Teaching a kid is easier because they realize that they have much to learn and they are eager to put in some effort. They are open to trying out hands-on experiments or looking at analogies to expand their knowledge and understanding. But you have convinced yourself that you already know more than everyone else, so teaching you is practically impossible. You don't actually want to learn. Which is really rather unfortunate, because you are actually quite ignorant of many, many things. A junior-high to maybe high-school level physics course would really help you a lot, but you lack the attitude to benefit from one. Your ignorance is feeding itself by preventing you from learning, so you only grow more ignorant over time while deluding yourself. All in all, I feel a little sorry for you.

But it is an open environment because sparse air + gravity doesn't make a solid surface, a vacuum doesn't exist right next to an pressured environment and it still doesn't explain all the moon missions and many satellites that went past earth orbit.

See you treat this whole issue like your a parent talking to your 3 year old son - and your 3 year old son must believe you or you'll punish him. Thank god i ain't your son and your explanations dont make any logical sense.

Your blindness and stubbornness are epic fails, once you open your eyes - your fall will be devastating.



More lies and strawman, you can't explain it because you know it's beyond stupidly wrong and would rather deal with the Lie than hear the truth, pathetic.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Apr 25 2017 04:01pm

Do you even know what de facto means in this context? It's an "open environment" in that there isn't a physical barrier between the atmosphere and space, that is true. But it functions exactly like a closed environment, so it doesn't need a physical barrier. For example, a perfect vacuum pump can only lift water 33.9 feet above sea level (vacuum next to a pressurized body, no different than outer space and our atmosphere for all practical purposes). Now a suction pump functions by creating a lower level of air pressure above what is to be "lifted," and what happens is that the higher air pressure pushing down on the rest of the body pushes the water up. But that outside air pressure differential isn't strong enough to push it up any further. The perfect (or near enough to be perfect) vacuum of outer space simply isn't strong enough to overcome the gravitational pull of the Earth, therefore the atmosphere is, for all intents and purposes, a closed environment.

that's it , you get it, stop now ok.



nope, you were so close - this is the lie.



This is because you (a man-child) has placed a vacuum next to water, this is not something nature makes. Nature does not make vacuums, nature abhors them actually. And the water you have lifted is not a vacuum just because you used a vacuum pump. This sounds like some excuse you got from a debunking website because its especially wacky, even more so than your normal rhetoric.

I found this on the intent

"a total vacuum cannot be created over water. As the pressure is reduced, the boiling point of the water is lowered, producing a layer of water vapor between the water's surface and the pump."

and the height of water pumped using a "vacuum pump" is limited by air pressure at sea, so comparing it to the thin air in high altitude vs the near perfect vacuum of space does not make the difference act like a solid structure. It just pressure differnce, exactly what i've been saying forever that it has nothing to do with your blind faith in the world gravity - therefore it must be a thing.



But in all experiments, vacuums prove more powerful than gravity, so for all intents and purposes, your argument is moot, you have no point, you have not "explained" things i didn't already know, the difference is that you believe the excuse - i look at it and recognize it for the pile of BS you're expected to believe.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Apr 25 2017 05:56pm

It isn't a lie. Saying it's a lie doesn't make it a lie. Prove it false, because I explained, using a real world example, exactly why the world is the way it also appears.



Nature "abhors" vacuums does not mean vacuums can't exist in nature. Outer space is one giant vacuum, populated with bodies of mass that have coalesced into moons, planets, comets, stars, nebulae, etc.

Lol, "debunking" websites. Reality debunks flat Earth, so the whole world is my canvas here.



"All experiments?" Citation needed, because it's bullshit, just like the bumper sticker slogan you tried to pass off as scientific law.

So you know for a fact space is a vacuum because your told to think space is a vacuum, that's some sound logic there....

But isn't that assuming you where taught the ultimate truth, why would you think you were taught the truth for free, nothing is free really, silly boy.

Oh, right. Because there's absolutely zero evidence that space is indeed a vacuum, that's what you're saying?

If they were lying about space being a vacuum, how would you know?

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America

I just want to be sure you are claiming there's no proof that space is a vacuum.

/e are they teaching flat Earth theory in Canada?

This post was edited by Santara on Apr 25 2017 06:47pm

Public "Education" has become indoctrination and distraction