Considering there is only 8000 cases a year, 400 is a rather large study group.

Thanks for the response, I'll read over and respond tomorrow.

Anything relating to smoking is completely a mute point, because its personal choice and there are alternative methods of delivery, but maybe people overlook potential risks of inhalation. I doubt the testicular cancer one could be any more of a statistic correlation not causation situation, not to mention there is not a shred of REAL evidence to support this, you will not find anywhere any explanation of mechanism or direct cause here I bet. Cancer in general is classic for correlations, can we even begin on how many claims there are about what can cause cancer?

The problem with cannabis research and publications is bias, on both sides, but of course especially for against, for decades, because of political stance and legal status. Honestly it is hard to get to any real truth, I would love to know if and what risks there might be but it is impossible to know when it is clear shit studies are pumped out of government funded agencies. We had one here in Australian come out not that many years ago, out of a government prevention agency, claiming cannabis was 20 times more addictive than tobacco, (even though tobacco is in the top 3 of all time and cannabis does not rate a mention and there is no evidence it is even physically addictive) how these people call themselves scientists or could be taken seriously in this day and age is beyond me.

This post was edited by Psychonautica on Nov 7 2014 11:26pm

If these claims are true it explains that totally far out conspiracy smokers I always see. If cannabis causes your brain to swerve towards symptoms of schizophrenic disease its not wild to think it can help cause to develop schizophrenia. He also mentioned psychosis, psychosis is a hallmark of schizophrenia. What if pot causes people in theory who maybe are more genetically prone to become schizophrenic but may have never of went schizophrenic if they didn't smoke weed that's pretty terrible.. I mean growing up I can attest to seeing this first hand and witnessing the change from not smoking to smoking Ive seen a lot of people become dirt bags and mentally ill. Yeah this my own account but it seem awfully reminiscent to what this guy is saying.


This post was edited by Historic on Nov 15 2014 10:39pm

Well what you have just pointed is actually the most negative aspects of cannabis, potential of some to develop psychosis/mental health issues, of course this is from abuse of the drug, and if this is worst case scenario how does that compare with all risk we face everyday?

The schizophrenia argument does not tend to hold water, even though it seems to have the potential to accelerate the condition in some, who were likely to develop it anyway, people have endlessly pointed out rates of schizophrenia did not change in the last century, if it caused schizophrenia rates would have sky rocketed last decades of last century. One of the big ironies of schizophrenia and cannabis as well is that sufferers tend to use the drug because it can bring relief, cannabinoids in cannabis are very effective are relieving symptoms, while THC of course is not good at all for it. We come back again to the differences of THC and cannabinoids, clearly THC is the culprit in causing these mental health issues in predisposed individuals, while it is likely cannabis with strong cannabinoid profiles could actually be helpful, as well as if THC heavy strains were avoided to begin with likely non of these issues would have developed; not to mention avoiding addiction.

You have to keep in mind too schizophrenia is a very serious, complex and devastating 'mental illness', with aspects of brain degeneration (loss of white matter) and is likely genetic, also with other predisposing factors, viral infections in childhood, mothers who smoked tobacco in pregnancy. People throw the word schizophrenia around far too easily.

Where are you from Historic? I know people who have gone down the same path as well, but one huge issue and factor we had/have here in Australia is people smoke cannabis with tobacco, it clearly makes addiction exponentially more likely and longer term problems more likely.

This post was edited by Psychonautica on Nov 21 2014 04:43am

Let me share a quick story about a former friend of mine. Legit one of the smartest guys I know. He skipped two years of elementary school, a year in hs, and a year in undergrad. He destroyed his mcat and got into medical school with a scholarship. We were friends with the same friends so naturally we met each other and also became friends. 1st year he aced all his classes and was in the 1st quartile.

2nd year a friend of his had access to weed and my friend got hooked. It started off slowly. He would smoke on a daily basis but all of his grades were gradually decreasing. By the time 2nd semester of 2nd year started things escalated to a worrying degree. He was high more than he was sober. He ended up failing more classes than the limit and told some lies. He was suspended for a year , right before his boards.

At this point any normal person would have studied throughout the year and aced their boards since they have this huge blackmark on their record now and good residencies are competitive. What did he do? He smoked. He smoked and smoked and smoked. He was high more than he was sober. Various points throughout the year he would visit his friends and piss all of them off in different ways. He would go into public stoned as hell and just act full retard, and this was a norm for him. Doesn't need to be said that he didn't study a page throughout this year.

The year ended faster than he thought and came the time where he needed to study for boards to resume medschool. He "studied" for what he says was 2 months, most likely high as hell and not focused on anything he was reading. He took his boards. Results were to come in 1 month and the school said he can resume his medical rotations until the results of his boards came.

On rotations he made the biggest fool out of himself to everyone he met. Eventually he slipped some drug comments which forced the hospital he was working at to perform a drug screen on him. He knew he would fail and the repercussions for a failed drug screen was another year off. If this were to happen he would be doomed to a family practice or psych residency and he wanted more than that. He tried to fake it, and failed. The temp of his urine did not meet the minimum temp. Normal is like 90-99 and his came up high 80s or something. He was caught trying to plagiarize a drug screen. Pissed again and failed the test.

By this time his board results came in. He scored in the bottom 2% of anyone who has ever taken the test before. Failed it hard. Currently he has a meeting in the best future to decide his fate. He is 99.999% likely to be expelled, and rightly so. I guy like this shouldn't be in charge of another human's well being. With that said, the potential was there for a sharp doctor. It is truly a sad story of what could have been.

I'm obviously not going to put this all on weed, but it definitely played a part in this situation. I like it and it's fun to partake every now and then. However, moderation is the truly the key.

sounds to me he let it get the best of him, and lost all self-control and become irresponsible.

Right which arguably is a huge personality flaw and might have happened in his life in some form anyway.

But in this situation weed was that initiating and enabling factor.

I am from new york where weed probably isn't the safest. I wanted to mention your one claim where you talked about rates of teh disease. You state the rate of schphrnenia remained the same through the century but is this true in comparison to marijuana consumption did use rise or fall?

People throw schizophrenia around because its extremely notorious you alos gave heed to the fact that marijuana could cause psychosis well psychosis is like knocking on the door of schizophrenia. Psychosis is one of the biggest most prominent symptom of schizophrenia ofc aside from the obvious visual and auditory hallucinations which is the same thing as psychosis, a disconnection form reality.

Like I said every schizophrenic Ive ever met was a smoker. And if they weren't a heavy smoker they stated that they had a terrible experiences with lasting effects. Some have terrible experience like I did was able to bounce back but yeah Ive been interested in this for years.



It seems like real life examples are showing the obvious compared to the pro marijuana narrative.

I really also feel like every pot head knows while they smoke they are clumsy , stupid and forgetful. But they have this denial about them where they dishonest. I also notice because when i hang with my friends they come sober then they are like alright mike where gonna smoke and im like alright have fun. I notice different patterns of behavior.
This is aside from many older friends from highschool who i didn't not get along with even tho they were my best friends. between all the conspiracies this that and the third. I also notice i just cant get along with pot heads the way they look at life and reality is like enraging to the point where I am becoming racist against pot heads. I mean I don't want to upset smokers here I still respect your opinions and I want to truly figure the effects of weed but its getting harder to do this.

This post was edited by Historic on Nov 21 2014 01:09pm