first off, fuck you! you will see the "dude_927 bottom of the ocean bubble" soon enough! second, the population can't go over carrying capacity, thats why it's carrying capacity (at least if i understand it correctly), carrying capacity can drop suddenly and cause a bunch of lives to be unsupportable, so i suppose population can get above carrying capacity, but not for long. Population crashes are a separate thing entirely (but i don't think you argued they were the same, just that they may intertwine? just wanted to point out they may not as well)

and...yea...hes...special, that was kind of obvious from the start really though

what you think he's doing everyday? mathletics? ok ok whatever the average 8 year old could do


This post was edited by dude_927 on Dec 8 2014 05:39pm

Not even close lol

I would never open my mouth like that, nothing prove humans are the pinnacle of whatever evolution, because "evolution" isnt over, ever.
Actually we are more like a disease destroying areas where we live.

If i was ET superior life form i would take care to not allowing you outside of the the solar system; and maybe not even allowing you to leave your own planet.
Conclusion; keep it low when talking about us and talk only for yourself...

=> So i heard you said you are the pinnacle of what ?

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Dec 9 2014 02:59pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee#Intelligence (i was being generous actually by saying 8yr old, i'm convinced they are smarter than that, but this is not the forum for speculation)

e: please provide links for your rebuttal (i know Wikipedia isn't the greatest link, but it is fairly well cited if you check)

ee: "Chimpanzees are capable of reasoned thought, abstraction and have a concept of self. Chimps use reasoned thought when they process information and use their memory, for example when finding fruit according to what season it is. Chimps are capable of generalization and symbolic representation, as they are able to group symbols together, and some chimps have even learned how to use American Sign Language. Chimps also have a “concept of self”, which refers to an individual’s perception of their being in relation to others. An interesting test that is often used is to see if an animal recognizes themselves in mirrors – chimps can do this, while most other animals cannot!
Those who have worked closely with chimpanzees agree that they feel and express emotions such as sadness and happiness, fear and despair—and they know mental as well as physical pain." -janegoodall.ca

eee: "They are social creatures that appear to be capable of empathy, altruism, self-awareness, cooperation in problem solving and learning through example and experience. Chimps even outperform humans in some memory tasks." -http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/science/17chimp.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 (ny times)

eeee: "Matsuzawa Tetsuro, a Kyoto-based primate researcher has tested 5-year old chimpanzees in a game where they had to recognize multiple numbers that were revealed to them very quickly, and the chimps walked away with an astounding 80% accuracy. For comparative purposes, a fantastic human score, posted by a first-year doctoral candidate is around 10 percent." - national geographic (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080509-memory-video-ap.html)

This post was edited by dude_927 on Dec 9 2014 04:10pm

^ and don't you dare use "chimps can't talk" as an argument, their vocal chords are situated too high for human speech, but similar to, i dunno an 8 yr old with damaged vocal chords, they can learn sign language (fine humans sign around 2-3, chimps 4-5, but the chimp has to freaking learn from a different species)

This post was edited by dude_927 on Dec 9 2014 04:41pm

Lol I won't even bother if you think the reason chimps can't talk is due to a lack of proper vocal apparatus and not due to a lack of cognitive ability.

If you think chimps are more intelligent than 8-year-olds we have VERY different conceptions of what intelligence is.

as suspected, no links, chimps can talk just fine (in sign language), perhaps you could define intelligence? (and possibly win a nobel prize)

Of course we define it differently, you expect a chimp to beat you in a math test or get on the honour role in school, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree you will forever see a fish as insignificant. I also agree that i cannot argue the point further simply because the "comparison" can only take place on things you excel at. Can you name a superior trait of humanity not acquainted with "pattern recognition"? chimps beat us at this, we just know how to use patterns to predict long term, they don't care, their long term situation has little to no effect on "getting laid".

Yes, chimps exceed humans in specific cognitive abilities. Lots of animals do.

Humans however, have introspective and rational thinking that far exceed what any human can do. We have created fundamental theories of physics, composed masterful symphonies, and shared epic narratives, things that require cognitive abilities orders of magnitude more than what the smartest non-human animals have.

We can think about our existence and our place in the world and ponder on it and express feelings and thoughts about it in mediums as complex as science and art.

agreed

patterns, patterns, patterns

i could cite goodall again about feelings, but lets face it you won't read it, science is not expression, and elephants can art (as well as many other species, but of course your art is superior)