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Oct 28 2011 09:32pm
Quote (L4d @ Oct 28 2011 10:12pm)
I expected something discouraging from you and/or others...

Sharon Tate died before she could birth her baby.

I am not agreeing that that was an orb inside of an orb either, but that is what those people, who were there, thought that it was.


i'm saying its a lie because its based on outdated "Ghost criteria". orbs have been proven to be made by cameras themselves and are not related to ghost.
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Oct 28 2011 10:07pm
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i'm saying its a lie because its based on outdated "Ghost criteria". orbs have been proven to be made by cameras themselves and are not related to ghost.

Here is what a Google search showed for "orb+camera+ghost":
http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4029

It explains how cameras will catch objects that might appear to be "orbs".
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Oct 28 2011 11:28pm
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Here is what a Google search showed for "orb+camera+ghost":
http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4029

It explains how cameras will catch objects that might appear to be "orbs".


exactly right. its an outdated ghost story that only the ignorant still claim to be real. if she wanted a realistic ghost story she should keep up with the current trends so she isn't blatantly lying out of ignorance.

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exactly right. its an outdated ghost story that only the ignorant still claim to be real. if she wanted a realistic ghost story she should keep up with the current trends so she isn't blatantly lying out of ignorance.

You can still think you're telling the truth and be 100% completely wrong at the same time. You can't lie out of ignorance because of that. You just leave yourself susceptible to being called stupid and/or lazy because you didn't spend the time to ACTUALLY research your claims.
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You can still think you're telling the truth and be 100% completely wrong at the same time. You can't lie out of ignorance because of that. You just leave yourself susceptible to being called stupid and/or lazy because you didn't spend the time to ACTUALLY research your claims.


its insane how many of the people jumping on the ghost hunter bandwagon make up claims like this.
my sister is one of them and did all kinds of retarded things because there was an orb in a photo she took in her home.
i don't enjoy judging people i don't know personally but it seems like a lot of these ghost bandwagon people are retarded as hell.
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Oct 29 2011 03:24pm
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its insane how many of the people jumping on the ghost hunter bandwagon make up claims like this.
my sister is one of them and did all kinds of retarded things because there was an orb in a photo she took in her home.
i don't enjoy judging people i don't know personally but it seems like a lot of these ghost bandwagon people are retarded as hell.

I definitely agree with that. Anyone who willingly accepts something as true without doing some level of honest research to find the truth of the claim is intellectually bankrupt.
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Oct 29 2011 11:59pm
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

This is completely wrong. Let's say I told you there was a giant unicorn right in front of your face. You would suspect a giant unicorn to have some sort of physical effect on your immediate environment yet it has none. You can't see it, you can't hear it, you can't feel it, you can't see it under using special devices, thus it is proven to have no presence. If a claim is to exist, then it would almost definitely have an effect on that which is around it.



Also, there is a lot of discussion about whether our brain and soul are the same. Well, scientists have done experiments that have shown that the decisions we make are only consciously recognized 7 seconds or so after the brain has started thinking of this idea. This does not include speaking and reflexes, as the impulses for reflex actions do not go to the brain and speaking is done with the part of the brain identified as our conscious. So effectively most of the things we do or decide, we have already decided moments beforehand. This begs the question: "do we have free will at all?", or are we just a bunch of reactions that would occur the same way in the same circumstances every time.


My opinion is: Maybe ghosts exist, but "ghost" or anything is only a word unless you define what it is or model it so it can be tested and observed scientifically. It is impossible to argue properly against ghost unless you define first exactly what it is. Its like creationism, which is not a scientific model, so it cannot be tested and thus proven, whereas evolution IS a proper scientific model which has been tested many numerous times and not been proven incorrect. Like the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, it is a scientific theory or model and has not yet been proven false and thus you would be a nutcase to claim otherwise.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

This is completely wrong. Let's say I told you there was a giant unicorn right in front of your face. You would suspect a giant unicorn to have some sort of physical effect on your immediate environment yet it has none. You can't see it, you can't hear it, you can't feel it, you can't see it under using special devices, thus it is proven to have no presence. If a claim is to exist, then it would almost definitely have an effect on that which is around it.



Also, there is a lot of discussion about whether our brain and soul are the same. Well, scientists have done experiments that have shown that the decisions we make are only consciously recognized 7 seconds or so after the brain has started thinking of this idea. This does not include speaking and reflexes, as the impulses for reflex actions do not go to the brain and speaking is done with the part of the brain identified as our conscious. So effectively most of the things we do or decide, we have already decided moments beforehand. This begs the question: "do we have free will at all?", or are we just a bunch of reactions that would occur the same way in the same circumstances every time.


My opinion is: Maybe ghosts exist, but "ghost" or anything is only a word unless you define what it is or model it so it can be tested and observed scientifically. It is impossible to argue properly against ghost unless you define first exactly what it is. Its like creationism, which is not a scientific model, so it cannot be tested and thus proven, whereas evolution IS a proper scientific model which has been tested many numerous times and not been proven incorrect. Like the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, it is a scientific theory or model and has not yet been proven false and thus you would be a nutcase to claim otherwise.


Ghosts don't exist... Anyone with a little common sense knows this...
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Oct 30 2011 07:18am
Oh my god.. how can someone REALLY believe that "ghosts" exist ?
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Oh my god.. how can someone REALLY believe that "ghosts" exist ?


Oh my god.. how can someone REALLY not know people who believe in "ghosts" exist ?

This post was edited by Ocen on Oct 30 2011 03:23pm
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