And for people who might not believe, God sometimes hardens their hearts against Him, and other times sends people delusions so that they believe lies.

I believe in what is proven to be fact. There are no delusions in facts sir and as I said before you have the right to believe in whatever or whomever you choose. That my friend you can agree with me on. Because that sir is one of the main principles in the scriptures, Freedom of choice. I am not trying to convince anyone of my beliefs, its not my place to. You sir if being a god fearing man that most religious ppl are, Should practice what you preach and turn the other cheek. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" -Matthew 7:3
Just because i do not believe in the holy trilogy does not mean sir that i am uneducated in them. I do not push unto people religion,science or sexual orentation for that matter. I never ask for any insight or opinions in my post, i mearly made a statement of what I believe to be truth. Its thousands of people like yourself who are believers who try to CRAM your opinions and beliefs down the throats of ppl that is a problem,not my beliefs. Because sir I do not walk around door to door disrupting peoples private lives just so they can hear what I have to say. After all sir i have my own problems in life to deal with. Hench I can clearly see the plank in my own eye and I dont give a rats ass about the one in yours.

P.s. In correct paragraph form as previously requested

Somehow I'm getting the feeling that that's the first post of mine that you've read We're in complete agreement that we shouldn't simply "believe" something without sound logical justification. We can know that which is proven and then speculate on everything else. Religions are a guess at what might be the case, but there is no more evidence for one than there is for any other. As religions are, by their very nature, untestable, they can't even be considered theories in the scientific sense; they will forever be considered hypotheses until the day one of their Doomsday scenarios actually plays out. And in the likely event that none of them ever happens, even that wouldn't dissuade believers since it just simply hasn't happened yet, but you can be sure that one day it'll probably happen, maybe. And soon! It's always soon.

I fear this is another "out of context" example.

For your reference on Hardening hearts: http://truthsaves.org/doctrine/harden_hearts.shtml

For your reference on Sending Dellusions: http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/589-does-god-send-delusions-can-a-person-harden-himself-beyond-hope

Do you purposely misapply your biblical analogies or do you merely misunderstand what the meaning of the passages are? Honestly, I was just wondering.



Vouch this, Elite, you guys are on the same page I think you missed his point.....

This post was edited by FullArcFG on Aug 3 2011 05:38am

@TruthSaves link: if you have to go back to the ancient Hebrew and find an alternative translation of some words in order to make the translation fit with your idea of God, then perhaps you should ask yourself why the inerrant word of God allowed itself to be translated to mean something other than its original intentions. Would not an omnipotent deity be able to preserve the integrity of its own holy book, regardless of the number of times it is translated into any number of languages?


The Bible is the perfect, inerrant Word of God, unless of course where it contains two contradicting ideas, in which case one of the two verses that contradict each other are figurative. This is what apologists get paid to do. To try to reconcile contradictions which somehow still exist even after several millenia of being subjected to the editorial process.

to bad the bible basically says no1 will go to heaven ......

there is no god

human's invented the bible
human's where killed for not beveling in the bible by Christians
human's that are weak look for god to give them a reason to live....piss weak

You find it boring and circular eh? I wasn't finding it boring at all. Besides boring your opponent is a sound strategy in being victorious in an argument. If you bore the opposition then you will be able to have the last word and hence your argument will be the stronger one. All the spectators will believe my side and hence go on to believe in God.

@ PS. That is a story that is much bigger than you and I because that story revolves around me. A story that made me hostile towards all people especially in the crowd.




There is a God

Human's wrote the bible because they were inspired by God.
Human's badmouthed people who went by the name of craigg38 because of his crappy spelling abilities.
Human's are all weak and everyone needs God as he is the reason that we live.

This post was edited by CPK001 on Aug 4 2011 06:02am

Come on now, I googled up an inquiry, got about a dozen hits, grabbed the one on the top of the list and you represent this as If this was detailed research. You're present this as trying to fit my idea of God, when in fact it is merely to demonstrate that you are improperly applying Bilblical passages (to make them fit your ideas in fact). And even in your rebuttle you continue to misrepresent with patronizing apathy. The simple fact is there is deeper meaning than the skim coat presentation that you want to toss about trying to get high fives from the ignorant likes of craigg38 types.

Even though I disagree with your casual disregard, I still respect that you have not shut yourself out from only the things you agree with. I have seen in other posts how you have formed your opinions and that you continue to look at all the alternatives regardless of what your present position is. I find this commendable.

Were you sober when you read that?