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Why do flat earthers alway conflate heliocentric/geocentric with globe/pancake?
If you where willing to do even the slightest amount of investigation into your claims you would know that humans have generally believed in sperical earth since 500bc to 500ad depending on location and how fast scientific advancement reached them.

Guess what , seafaring coastal civilizations where aware of reality before others because of the hard empirical evidence of witnessing ships sail over the horizon!

The funniest part is that flat earth theory in modern times originated as a way to make Christianity look backwards and opposed to scientific advancement. There was opposition from the church to the idea of earth revolving around sun when the heliocentric model gained favor, but it was already well accepted that the earth was a globe by everyone , even the church.

That wasn't enough though so some 19th century skeptics rewrote history and tried to make it look like Christianity claimed earth was flat, which it never really has.
And a buntch of simple minded idiots who would rather believe a you-tube video with a simple trick they fail to see though rather than actually investigating what reality is are able to perpetuate cave-man level understanding.
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Jul 18 2017 07:08pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 17 2017 11:18pm)
A few questions before I start doing anything.

1. A basketball court is 94 feet long. At this length how obscured would a baseball be if placed at the other end according to the Flat Earth model?

2. How large is the sun? And how high up is it?

3. Is there any reason I can't recreate the effect of perspective scaled down to a basketball court?



Also a general question. Why is the light not following a straight path in the flat earth model of perspective? What changes the direction of the light as it moves through the atmosphere outside of optically neutral events like scattering?


1. Depends on your perspective, what lense you choose - aka where you place the camera.

2. In the FE Model they say it's 38 miles across and 3500 miles up. I could show you how to calculate this with parallax but since we both know you won't watch anything besides your bias, so that would be pointless.

3. Any reason to fail? If you dont know what your doing, perhaps.

4. because the Light is relative to your local perspective - not relative to the entire earth - that's why it can appear to be setting in India to the west while it appears to be rising to the east in NYC

What changes the direction of light - your local perspective of the orbiting sun. Another theory is that the Sun is actually a giant ball of electricity and as it's passing your sky it excites the noble gases in the air to create light, so daylight could be a combination of direct sunlight, reflection off the dome and excited Noble gases.
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Jul 18 2017 07:35pm
Quote (remco6 @ Jul 18 2017 08:00pm)
Why do flat earthers alway conflate heliocentric/geocentric with globe/pancake?
If you where willing to do even the slightest amount of investigation into your claims you would know that humans have generally believed in sperical earth since 500bc to 500ad depending on location and how fast scientific advancement reached them.

Guess what , seafaring coastal civilizations where aware of reality before others because of the hard empirical evidence of witnessing ships sail over the horizon!

The funniest part is that flat earth theory in modern times originated as a way to make Christianity look backwards and opposed to scientific advancement. There was opposition from the church to the idea of earth revolving around sun when the heliocentric model gained favor, but it was already well accepted that the earth was a globe by everyone , even the church.

That wasn't enough though so some 19th century skeptics rewrote history and tried to make it look like Christianity claimed earth was flat, which it never really has.
And a buntch of simple minded idiots who would rather believe a you-tube video with a simple trick they fail to see though rather than actually investigating what reality is are able to perpetuate cave-man level understanding.


There is actually no record of any government or religious entity in the history of mankind claiming without a doubt the earth was flat.

I dare anyone to prove otherwise.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 19 2017 06:40am)
I offer to do an experiment and he won't answer the most basic questions required to interpret the results.

Sad.






You've never shown you've actually investigated anything besides your own bias.

If you can answer this question I will be amazed.

How has angular perspective been used in Astronomy to deceive the masses?
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Quote (ChivasRegal @ Jul 18 2017 09:11pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSOphWOt0U

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/29/88/89/298889a747ae6094bbcd0b4e66df39d0.png

You've never shown you've actually investigated anything besides your own bias.

If you can answer this question I will be amazed.

How has angular perspective been used in Astronomy to deceive the masses?


lol @ 19:30

"when you increase your altitude, you can clearly see the target object relies on the same, flat plane"
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This post was edited by JohnMiller92 on Jul 19 2017 01:41am
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Quote (ROM @ Jul 17 2017 07:59am)
To the flat earthers, can you please explain how we understand Skywave propogation is incorrect and how it would work if the earth was flat?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Skywave.jpg/250px-Skywave.jpg


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