1) Mankind did not evolve from a rock. A human mind cannot comprehend the time span of 13 billion years, its impossible. You know nothing of biology.

2) Even if it is suspicious doesn't mean something magical has to explain it for us. We actually have a pretty good understanding of how all these things you mentioned work.. without putting god in the equation. And no its not even remotely perfect, there is no such thing as perfect anyway.

you speak as if the universe was already engineered, already having a conclusion of something making the universe then observing the facts and twisting them to fit your conclusion is not objectively speaking

the universe wasn't "designed" unless you already have god in the equation. If you look at whats happening and stop trying to conclude how it happened before you look, you realize that everything that happened can be explained more logically by science than by any magical deity. Science is objectivity.

ya what are the chances of us living on a planet that is coincidentally so perfect that it supports life!

most likley alot of things a false, considering that humans been around for only 11000 years and just recently found out the world wasnt flat or how gravity works

Personally I feel this is a lot of pointless speculation, because no matter where the evidence leads us to consider, that life did evolve on its lonesome in this big bad universe, you can't not PROVE anything ever. Because to prove that all of the universe, and all resulting things such as evolution, are completely random one has to prove that something does not exist, and how do you do that? You can't. I am for one perfectly willing to debate the possibility of God v. the unlikelihood of God, and while some aspects of science do make things seem very improbable, like evolution, the question of "Does science lead to God" is completely unfair, because a real scientist would seek more evidence than "Yea . . . but doesn't this all seem rather unlikely?" The better question might be, "Does philosophy lead to God," and philosophy itself gets us no where except one of to places: 1.) Some fun 2.) A headache, In this case I feel it leads to a headache. But if you want my opinion on whether or not science supports that there is evidence of God, I would have to say, none what so ever, but I would ask you to consider at the same time there is no evidence saying God isn't real, eventhough I am myself an Atheist. It never hurts to have an open mind. And before some of you people throw the Bible at me, saying this or that has been disproven, I never said there wasn't any evidence against particular religions, 'God' (haha) knows there is plenty of evidence against them, I just said there isn't evidence against the existence of A god. So have fun speculating.

I just don't understand how you can believe a man just existed out of nothing, and created everything with the snap of his fingers. More of society being ignorant in thinking humans are such special creatures. To me, humans are nothing, we are a randomly formed living population in the universe. This itself makes me happy, knowing that I was given a chance at living, when only so few have ever been given a chance to live on this planet.


Im not hating on you or anything, sorry If i'm sounding anti-god or anything. I am not. If anything, believing in god makes life happier.


Science will not be proven in our life time.
God will not be proven in our life time.


Boooo.


I loved this quote to:



This post was edited by subExternal on Nov 10 2009 11:17am

well, expanding as we speak

Please, think for one fucking second.

There are billions of galaxies, containing even more stars; many of which are larger enough to support a solar system.
It is a statistical improbability that there WOULD NOT be life on a planet.


And, our planet is far from perfect.
Natural disasters (hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, etc etc) occur everyday.




@ Topic -
Science does not lead to God. The lack of understanding that our current scientific progress has brought upon us leads many to consider the possibility of a divine being. However, I believe that our current state of science combined with minimal philosophical insight would lead any rational being to disbelief in a creator, or at least a loving one. It is also far too complicated for many, and requires more thought and READING (difficult, oh so difficult) than most would care to subject themselves too.

This post was edited by rawr_rawr on Nov 11 2009 08:40pm

You haven't seen extraterrestrial lifeforms.
You haven't tasted extraterrestrial lifeforms.
You have no proof that extraterrestrial lifeforms exist.

Yet, you believe almost without doubt of their existence. But when it comes to God, you don't reason the same way.

You use a keyboard because you can't type the post without one and you also type because you have a message to convey, yet you believe the genome of any living organism has typed itself for no reason at all.

Incoherence.

i agree, we have no proof that extraterrestrial lifeforms exist.

However, we do have physical proof that there are other stars and planets out side of our solar system. god on the other hand we have no physical proof. so we cannot exactly reason the same between extraterrestrial life existence and god's existence.

i personally, am challenged by the fact that if there is a god, and assuming we were perfect/ideal in his eyes, we would inevitably suffer the same fate of reaching a population barrier. there is only so many people earth can hold.

Good try, but terribly inconsistent.

1. Organisms exist, and we know this.
2. The scientific estimation of there being any form of life upon another planet somewhere within the realm of our universe is 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999%. (Based on the factors necessary to support life and the likely number of planets/surfaces that can support life, and this is only as we know life can survive on our planet. There's no telling what type of specimens exist)
3. Indeed almost without doubt. I am not 100% on this, nor should anyone be.

Not to mention such a hypothesis is provable, unlike God. Although, I highly doubt we will ever encounter such creatures.

Tell me, what sort of odds does your God have with a book, and a simple lack of possible explanation at this point in human advancement (in your humble opinion.. I would guess).

This post was edited by rawr_rawr on Nov 11 2009 11:11pm