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Lets say the earth is Flat, then the higher you climb, the less you should see on the ground, because your distance grows.
The fact that you can see more of the earth the higher you go is because the earth is round.


Another thing: If you are on the ocean and the earth was flat then you should see ships approaching in their full hight - like when they come out of a fog.
But you dont. You always see the TOP of the ships first. This cannot be if the earth is flat.


You can give me my 1000$ right there.


physics and optimal illusion just make it seem this way!!!
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Jun 1 2016 07:56am
So Earth is flat and the Moon and every other huge space body are round in order to deceive us.

I guess also dropping ur pen and seeing it fall on the ground is also some fake shit since gravity is not real.

The tide is also just magically happening as well as the sun eclipses and why radiation is pulled to the north and south poles...

And all the thousands of physicists worldwide that have nothing to do with NASA r apparently aware of this and just choose to keep the society out of it

BUT u, a random guy that probably doesnt even have a background in physics, know it all! :zzz

I suggest just pick a direction and start walking and see where u will end up.

What u should be asking is whether the life u r living is "real" or if its a simulation.

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Jun 1 2016 08:58am
Quote (Hooo @ 1 Jun 2016 01:24)
Lets say the earth is Flat, then the higher you climb, the less you should see on the ground, because your distance grows.
The fact that you can see more of the earth the higher you go is because the earth is round.


Another thing: If you are on the ocean and the earth was flat then you should see ships approaching in their full hight - like when they come out of a fog.
But you dont. You always see the TOP of the ships first. This cannot be if the earth is flat.


You can give me my 1000$ right there.


Someone who is 7' can see further than someone who is 4' based on perspective and it's more consistent with FE that no matter how high you go up, the horizon ALWAYS stays at eye level.

If you were to ACTUALLY go to the ocean and look out you might see the top of the boat come up first based on perspective, but then if you took a telescope and looked out - you would really see the entire boat miles below the supposed curve of the earth.

Quote (luckspin @ 1 Jun 2016 08:56)
So Earth is flat and the Moon and every other huge space body are round in order to deceive us.

I guess also dropping ur pen and seeing it fall on the ground is also some fake shit since gravity is not real.

The tide is also just magically happening as well as the sun eclipses and why radiation is pulled to the north and south poles...

And all the thousands of physicists worldwide that have nothing to do with NASA r apparently aware of this and just choose to keep the society out of it

BUT u, a random guy that probably doesnt even have a background in physics, know it all! :zzz

I suggest just pick a direction and start walking and see where u will end up.

What u should be asking is whether the life u r living is "real" or if its a simulation.



Do you have evidence every neighboring celestial body is spherical?

Magnetism attracts provenly better than gravity

The moon has almost nothing to do with tides, are you just making shit up?

I never said anything about thousands of physicists being aware, but mass-attraction discrepancies have been detected by mainstream physicists for decades which gave credence to hollow earth theory for almost as long

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Someone who is 7' can see further than someone who is 4' based on perspective and it's more consistent with FE that no matter how high you go up, the horizon ALWAYS stays at eye level.

that cannot and is not true to both of the theories
also on a flat earth why should you be able to see further the higher you go? On a flat earth - the higher you go - the further you are away from what you want to look at.

I tried the telescope thing on the sea shore and still could only see the top of the ship. That means you are dismissing fact. I cannot argue with you about theories if you just dismiss everything everyone says.


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physics and optimal illusion just make it seem this way!!!


Which physics exactly and what optimal illusions are making it seem in what way exactly? I think you cannot explain me away!
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Jun 1 2016 09:59am
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that cannot and is not true to both of the theories
also on a flat earth why should you be able to see further the higher you go? On a flat earth - the higher you go - the further you are away from what you want to look at.

I tried the telescope thing on the sea shore and still could only see the top of the ship. That means you are dismissing fact. I cannot argue with you about theories if you just dismiss everything everyone says.




Which physics exactly and what optimal illusions are making it seem in what way exactly? I think you cannot explain me away!


It's not true for both theories is what I'm saying. It's true for FE and discredits globular notion. Saying you wouldn't be able to see further from a higher vantage point is silly, the details will be skewed in distance as your vision field converges but that doesn't mean you're suddenly unable to see into distance.


I can dismiss things with EVIDENCE.
You could argue just fine if you had legitimacy in your claims.




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Jun 1 2016 02:16pm
There have been round trips accross the globe on all axis. If the earth was a shape other than spherical, it wouldn't be possible.
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Quote (MaliceMizer @ Jun 1 2016 09:58am)
Someone who is 7' can see further than someone who is 4' based on perspective and it's more consistent with FE that no matter how high you go up, the horizon ALWAYS stays at eye level.

If you were to ACTUALLY go to the ocean and look out you might see the top of the boat come up first based on perspective, but then if you took a telescope and looked out - you would really see the entire boat miles below the supposed curve of the earth.




Do you have evidence every neighboring celestial body is spherical?

Magnetism attracts provenly better than gravity

The moon has almost nothing to do with tides, are you just making shit up?

I never said anything about thousands of physicists being aware, but mass-attraction discrepancies have been detected by mainstream physicists for decades which gave credence to hollow earth theory for almost as long


LOL this one single sentence made my day, magnets attract what exactly?
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There have been round trips accross the globe on all axis. If the earth was a shape other than spherical, it wouldn't be possible.


actually, its 100% plausible on the FE model as well. Fe is actually the model used for the last few millennia, that is until Nasa convinced everyone it was a ball with their composite photos, and it just might be the greatest hoax in all of history.
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Quote (MaliceMizer @ 1 Jun 2016 17:58)


Do you have evidence every neighboring celestial body is spherical?


Google is ur friend...

Quote (MaliceMizer @ 1 Jun 2016 17:58)

Magnetism attracts provenly better than gravity


O K A Y . . .

Google is ur friend here too...

Quote (MaliceMizer @ 1 Jun 2016 17:58)

The moon has almost nothing to do with tides, are you just making shit up?


:zzz: heard of Google btw? takes 5 seconds to get credible information... not talking about Wikipedia.

Quote (MaliceMizer @ 1 Jun 2016 17:58)

I never said anything about thousands of physicists being aware, but mass-attraction discrepancies have been detected by mainstream physicists for decades which gave credence to hollow earth theory for almost as long


There are also millionaires around the world who believe in Scientology... there are people for pretty much any random idea/theory out there.

If u r going to defend a theory that goes against physics as we know it, u need to first know physics (the thing u r arguing against) and judging by ur comments above u know very little so its super hard to take u seriously at all.

wont waste my time further arguing with u and i certainly hope thats a troll topic.

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Quote (luckspin @ Jun 1 2016 08:56am)
So Earth is flat and the Moon and every other huge space body are round in order to deceive us.

I guess also dropping ur pen and seeing it fall on the ground is also some fake shit since gravity is not real.

The tide is also just magically happening as well as the sun eclipses and why radiation is pulled to the north and south poles...

And all the thousands of physicists worldwide that have nothing to do with NASA r apparently aware of this and just choose to keep the society out of it

BUT u, a random guy that probably doesnt even have a background in physics, know it all! :zzz

I suggest just pick a direction and start walking and see where u will end up.

What u should be asking is whether the life u r living is "real" or if its a simulation.


well if you look around , and see that every other guy has black hair - does that mean your hair is black?

also the fact a pen falls to the ground doesn't prove gravtiy, for if you take that same pen and drop it in water does it not float? A pen falling to the ground only does so because it is heavier than the air, nothing else.

well yes there are 1000s of physics students, many dont believe in gravity as a law, many do - probably because they mever really thought about questioningit

http://ncse.com/rncse/27/5-6/gravity-its-only-theory

i know its just copy pasta , but heres what a simple google search turns up, you might want to read it.

Gravity: It's Only a Theory
Reports of the National Center for Science Education
Title:
Gravity: It's Only a Theory
Author(s):
Ellery Schempp
Volume:
27
Issue:
5–6
Year:
2007
Date:
September–December
Page(s):
43–44
This version might differ slightly from the print publication.
[Textbook disclaimers are down, but not out. This satirical look at "only a theory" disclaimers imagines what might happen if advocates applied the same logic to the theory of gravitation that they do to the theory of evolution.]

All physics textbook should include this warning label:

This textbook contains material on Gravity. Universal Gravity is a theory, not a fact, regarding the natural law of attraction. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.
The Universal Theory of Gravity is often taught in schools as a fact, when in fact it is not even a good theory.

First of all, no one has measured gravity for every atom and every star. It is simply a religious belief that it is "universal".

Secondly, school textbooks routinely make false statements. For example, "the moon goes around the earth." If the theory of gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is much stronger than the earth's gravitational force on the moon, so the moon would go around the sun. Anybody can look up at night and see the obvious gaps in gravity theory.

The existence of tides is often taken as a proof of gravity, but this is logically flawed. Because if the moon's "gravity" were responsible for a bulge underneath it, then how can anyone explain a high tide on the opposite side of the earth at the same time? Anyone can observe that there are two — not one — high tides every day. It is far more likely that tides were given us by an Intelligent Creator long ago and they have been with us ever since. In any case, the fact that there are two high tides falsifies gravity.

There are numerous other flaws. For example, astronomers, who seem to have a fetish for gravity, tell us that the moon rotates on its axis but at the same time it always presents the same face to the earth. This is patently absurd. Moreover, if gravity were working on the early earth, then earth would have been bombarded out of existence by falling asteroids, meteors, comets, and other space junk. Furthermore, gravity theory suggests that the planets have been moving in orderly orbits for millions and millions of years, which wholly contradicts the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Since everything in the Universe tends to disorder according to the Second Law, orderly orbits are impossible. This cannot be resolved by pointing to the huge outpouring of energy from the sun. In fact, it is known that the flux of photons from the sun and the "solar wind" actually tends to push earth away.

There are numerous alternative theories that should be taught on an equal basis. For example, the observed behavior of the earth's revolving around the sun can be perfectly explained if the sun has a net positive charge and the planets have a net negative charge, since opposite charges attract and the force is an inverse-square law, exactly as proposed by the increasingly discredited Theory of Gravity. Physics and chemistry texts emphasize that this is the explanation for electrons going around the nucleus, so if it works for atoms, why not for the solar system? The answer is simple: scientific orthodoxy.

The US Patent Office has never issued a patent for anti-gravity. Why is this? According to natural law and homeopathy, everything exists in opposites: good–evil; grace–sin; positive charges–negative charges; north poles–south poles; good vibes–bad vibes; and so on. We know there are anti-evolutionists, so why not anti-gravitationalists? It is clearly a matter of the scientific establishment elite's protecting their own. Anti-gravity papers are routinely rejected from peerreviewed journals, and scientists who propose anti-gravity quickly lose their funding. Universal gravity theory is just a way to keep the grant money flowing.

Even Isaac Newton, said to be the discoverer of gravity, knew there were problems with the theory. He claims to have invented the idea early in his life, but he knew that no mathematician of his day would approve his theory, so he invented a whole new branch of mathematics, called fluxions, just to "prove" his theory. This became calculus, a deeply flawed branch having to do with so-called "infinitesimals" which have never been observed. Then when Einstein invented a new theory of gravity, he, too, used an obscure bit of mathematics called tensors. It seems that every time there is a theory of gravity, it is mixed up with fringe mathematics. Newton, by the way,was far from a secular scientist, and the bulk of his writings is actually on theology and Christianity. His dabbling in gravity, alchemy, and calculus was a mere sideline, perhaps an aberration best left forgotten in describing his career and faith in a Creator.

To make matters worse, proponents of gravity theory hypothesize about mysterious things called gravitons and gravity waves. These have never been observed, and when some accounts of detecting gravity waves were published, the physicists involved had to quickly retract them. Every account of anti-gravity and gravity waves quickly elicits laughter. This is not a theory suitable for children. And even children can see how ridiculous it is to imagine that people in Australia are upside down with respect to us, as gravity theory would have it. If this is an example of the predictive power of the theory of gravity,we can see that at the core there is no foundation.

Gravity totally fails to explain why Saturn has rings and Jupiter does not. It utterly fails to account for obesity. In fact, what it does "explain" is far outweighed by what it does not explain.

When the planet Pluto was discovered in 1930 by Clyde Tombaugh, he relied on "gravitational calculations". But Tombaugh was a Unitarian, a liberal religious group that supports the Theory of Gravity. The modern-day Unitarian-Universalists continue to rely on liberal notions and dismiss ideas of anti-gravity as heretical. Tombaugh never even attempted to justify his "gravitational calculations" on the basis of Scripture, and he went on to be a founding member of the liberal Unitarian Fellowship of Las Cruces, New Mexico.

The theory of gravity violates common sense in many ways. Adherents have a hard time explaining, for instance, why airplanes do not fall. Since anti-gravity is rejected by the scientific establishment, they resort to lots of hand-waving. The theory, if taken seriously, implies that the default position for all airplanes is on the ground. While this seems true for Northwest Airlines, it appears that JetBlue and Southwest have a superior theory that effectively harnesses forces that overcome so-called gravity.

It is unlikely that the Law of Gravity will be repealed given the present geo-political climate, but there is no need to teach unfounded theories in the public schools. There is, indeed, evidence that the Theory of Gravity is having a grave effect on morality. Activist judges and left-leaning teachers often use the phrase "what goes up must come down" as a way of describing gravity, and relativists have been quick to apply this to moral standards and common decency.

Finally, the mere name‚ "Universal Theory of Gravity" or "Theory of Universal Gravity" (the secularists like to use confusing language) has a distinctly socialist ring to it. The core idea of "to each according to his weight, from each according to his mass" is communistic. There is no reason that gravity should apply to the just and the unjust equally, and the saved should have relief from such "universalism." If we have Universal Gravity now, then universal health care will be sure to follow. It is this kind of universalism that saps a nation's moral fiber. It is not even clear why we need a theory of gravity: there is not a single mention in the Bible, and the patriotic Founding Fathers never referred to it.

Overall, the Theory of Universal Gravity is just not an attractive theory. It is based on borderline evidence, has many serious gaps in what it claims to explain, is clearly wrong in important respects, and has social and moral deficiencies. If taught in the public schools, by mis-directed "educators", it has to be balanced with alternative,more attractive theories with genuine gravamen and spiritual gravitas.

About the Author(s):
Ellery Schempp c/o NCSE PO Box 9477 Berkeley CA 94909-0477

Ellery Schempp is a long-time NCSE member and defender of evolution education.


Another thought. you know all the UFOs that pilots,Astronauts and Generals have seen as well as millions of other people - they all have one thing in common - they don't use conventional thrust engines, nor nuclear powered ones, except the ones you see in hollywood movies, but we seem to think that it's the only way to move about. Strange right? What could it be that they know, that we don't?

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