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Jun 14 2015 04:29am
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Did you see that on either the discovery channel or the history channel? Those have been debunked.


No, I don't have those channels unfortunately. :(

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For the near future you are absolutely correct, I assume mars will be inhabited within the next 100 years. But I see that as an intermediate goal.

With manipulation of the electromagnetic field around your spaceship you could easily overcome the problem of small obstacles.


That will be a very interesting thing. Now they'll just have to make travel even faster. :)


Has anyone else seen any cool planets lately?
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Jun 16 2015 07:34am
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For the near future you are absolutely correct, I assume mars will be inhabited within the next 100 years. But I see that as an intermediate goal.

With manipulation of the electromagnetic field around your spaceship you could easily overcome the problem of small obstacles.


That would work well for ferrous metals, anything else will still collide with you.

Space is full of ferrous metal, mostly iron, but its also full of plenty of non-ferrous metals like gold, and we cant be sure that there arent items flying through space that are comprised of organic material. We havent encountered it but other galaxies could have much different materials floating around.

If im putting my thinking cap on with the future in mind i can only think of some sort of reactionary laser gun that emits lasers to obliterate things in front of you, however this still does not account fully for the disbursement of the material. Even if you blew a rock to dust as you flew at breakneck speed towards it the dust itself could destroy your ship at certain velocities. And magnets cant work 100% effectively unless we come up with some sort of super conductor to generate that amount of electricity, which even then may be too weak to stop collisions.

My gut feeling is that "warp speed" is a myth as far as real world application goes, the 3d mapping will be too difficult to guarantee you wont get killed by a pebble. I see colonization as the only option for humans to crawl across space.
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Jun 17 2015 04:01pm
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That would work well for ferrous metals, anything else will still collide with you.

Space is full of ferrous metal, mostly iron, but its also full of plenty of non-ferrous metals like gold, and we cant be sure that there arent items flying through space that are comprised of organic material. We havent encountered it but other galaxies could have much different materials floating around.

If im putting my thinking cap on with the future in mind i can only think of some sort of reactionary laser gun that emits lasers to obliterate things in front of you, however this still does not account fully for the disbursement of the material. Even if you blew a rock to dust as you flew at breakneck speed towards it the dust itself could destroy your ship at certain velocities. And magnets cant work 100% effectively unless we come up with some sort of super conductor to generate that amount of electricity, which even then may be too weak to stop collisions.

My gut feeling is that "warp speed" is a myth as far as real world application goes, the 3d mapping will be too difficult to guarantee you wont get killed by a pebble. I see colonization as the only option for humans to crawl across space.


warp speed/light speed etc is not possible as far as we know with the knowledge we posses atm,future may yield more breakthroughs. we could probably travel near the speed of light but not entirely, as when an object reaches lightspeed it also has infinite mass which means we would need an infinite power source to sustain it. then there is the time displacement, travelling at those speeds if earth even existed you would return to your earth an alien yourself. best bet would be to setup refueling outposts/bases on mars first then reach for outskirts of solar system. mars itself is also a risk due to the proximity of the asteroid belt, which in theory could of destroyed mars atmosphere and and trace of life on the planet.
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Jun 17 2015 05:05pm
Planets are good i guess, but after putting telescopes in outer space and actually finding out how far apart everything is and how getting to one would be pretty much impossible, I'm left with the possibility that string theory suggest the probability of multiple dimensions as ones that we might not be able to see, but ones we should really start considered as not only probable, but also highly likely.
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Jun 17 2015 05:28pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 16 Jun 2015 15:34)
That would work well for ferrous metals, anything else will still collide with you.

Space is full of ferrous metal, mostly iron, but its also full of plenty of non-ferrous metals like gold, and we cant be sure that there arent items flying through space that are comprised of organic material. We havent encountered it but other galaxies could have much different materials floating around.



Because manipulation of the electro magnetic field will only have an effect on ferrous metals?! Right:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=levitating+frog+in+magnetic+field

basicly everything that has electrons (any matter that could damage a shapeship) can be manipulated with electromagnetic fields.
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Jun 17 2015 06:35pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Jun 17 2015 07:05pm)
Planets are good i guess, but after putting telescopes in outer space and actually finding out how far apart everything is and how getting to one would be pretty much impossible, I'm left with the possibility that string theory suggest the probability of multiple dimensions as ones that we might not be able to see, but ones we should really start considered as not only probable, but also highly likely.


in theory we live in a universe of ten dimensions,i guess we would be 3 dimensional beings or live in the 3rd dimension however way you look at it. but what if one stage of evolution is evolving towards another dimension almost like ascending in a way. maybe that could be the future of exploration and understanding of the universe.
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Jun 17 2015 09:26pm
Sweet thread man! Some awesome pictures in here
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Jun 18 2015 12:19am
Quote (kalelvszod @ Jun 17 2015 05:35pm)
in theory we live in a universe of ten dimensions,i guess we would be 3 dimensional beings or live in the 3rd dimension however way you look at it. but what if one stage of evolution is evolving towards another dimension almost like ascending in a way. maybe that could be the future of exploration and understanding of the universe.



Like interstellar right?
The other dimensions provide shirtcuts in travel, black hole
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Jun 18 2015 06:44am
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Like interstellar right?
The other dimensions provide shirtcuts in travel, black hole


exactly. except in interstellar im sure we built them/created them sometime in distant future.
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Jun 18 2015 08:52am
Quote (Hellskin @ Jun 17 2015 05:28pm)
Because manipulation of the electro magnetic field will only have an effect on ferrous metals?! Right:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=levitating%20frog%20in%20magnetic%20field

basicly everything that has electrons (any matter that could damage a shapeship) can be manipulated with electromagnetic fields.


I have dont very little research in this but i found this:

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the diamagnetic moment of matter depends on atomic/molecular composition


wouldnt that mean that any electro magnetic barrier would need to adjust to what it is encountering based on whatever that thing's molecular makeup is? Which seems impossible when hurtling through space towards it.

Quote (kalelvszod @ Jun 17 2015 04:01pm)
warp speed/light speed etc is not possible as far as we know with the knowledge we posses atm,future may yield more breakthroughs. we could probably travel near the speed of light but not entirely, as when an object reaches lightspeed it also has infinite mass which means we would need an infinite power source to sustain it. then there is the time displacement, travelling at those speeds if earth even existed you would return to your earth an alien yourself. best bet would be to setup refueling outposts/bases on mars first then reach for outskirts of solar system. mars itself is also a risk due to the proximity of the asteroid belt, which in theory could of destroyed mars atmosphere and and trace of life on the planet.


i think the mars outpost will be sooner than most people think, i cant remember but i thought the journey was around 8 years with modern spacercrafts last time i read into it. That # could be way off.
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