no. we will evolve.
it is stupid to believe that we are the endproduct of evolution. (not meaning you are stupid - its just is a very unlikely cenario)

Wow Ive never read anything as stupid as this. Nazis reasonned in a similar way

This post was edited by m0hawk on Oct 31 2014 09:17am

Please show me where I said we are the end-product of evolution, I merely said we are currently the pinnacle of evolution.

We are the first species that have evolved so far that we mentally adapt to new situations without the need of millions more years of evolution.

We also have begun to engage in human-directed adaptation through medical advances, such as vaccines and electrodes.



reasoned*

Please explain in depth how this is "stupid." Evolution is simply the survival of the fittest. We are definitely at the peak of that definition.

However, we have also begun to engage in post-evolution activities, such as scientific advancement, culture, and space travel.

We are clearly the superior to all other species on earth; please feel free to prove me wrong.

evolution is not a teleological process, you're assigning human properties to something non-human.

Where did I suggest that it was teleological?

here

if there is a pinnacle then there is something that has best achieved something that is to be achieved.

now here's an other problem.

you're assuming that a scientific perspective knows value outside of the value that humans might have for the insights given by a "scientific perspective".


that's assuming that technology would lead to such an outcome, or that science or technology has any use outside of what use humans have of them. or that science/technology is always beneficial. do they exist for themselves or for those who created them?



a plethora of other creatures exist as well.

This post was edited by Gastly on Oct 31 2014 01:01pm

Based on the damage we are inflicting to the planet, I guess we still have much to learn then, given that even the stupidest animals know how to preserve their environment. Also unlike humans, animals didn't genocide entire peoples based on stupid religious or racist theories. I'm not even talking about people who are dying because they have nothing to eat in some shithole in Africa and we don't give a shit about it... The pinnacle of evolution? Humans are stupid, all that matters to them is money and shiny cars. Our knowledge is canceled out by our immense stupidity, and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

This post was edited by m0hawk on Oct 31 2014 03:50pm

No, no we are not the pinnacle.

science and technology has come a along way and in last 100yrs human life span has pretty much doubled in last 100 years, with all the genetic engineering and animal splicing going on we are not far from creating a super human or something close to it. even with all our great achievements we can still be wiped out in blink of an eye whether its from an asteroid, a plague(ebola for example) or nuclear holocaust every great civilization has an end like the roman empire hehe. But in the end bacteria and roaches will outlive us all, i dont see how we are even close to the pinnacle when we still have so far to go shit no human has even been to mars yet let alone leave solar system maybe when we start colonizing planets we can talk like this

That pretty much sums things up generally.

The fact is humans are incredibly varied, while some seem to be evolving/improving in different areas, because a few have access to the right resources and environment others are stagnating or it appears even going backwards. Just look at current diets in western countries, what they are doing biologically/cognitively, kids are basically sabotaged in their earliest years because people are so unaware of basic nutrition; I know it is not that simple but it is still a massively overlooked situation which nothing is being done about.

I actually do have some faith in the human race, the development and rate of technological advance could make astonishing differences. Of course we will wait until things get obviously bad in many areas before sweeping changes, but once they happen we have an incredible resilience to get them done, adapt and learn.

This post was edited by Psychonautica on Oct 31 2014 06:59pm