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Jul 25 2014 09:01pm
Quote (Guunba @ Jul 25 2014 08:09am)
Well, youre approach is a bit bad.
Earth, secluded holds infinite possibilities as you say.
But the universe doesnt.
No one knows how large the actual universe is, nor the shape.
And the shape is essential to how large and the answer of infinity.
Certain shapes will collapse (might be what causes big bangs), others only have so much mass potential. Yet some will break off into smaller pieces.

You cannot start a meassure with saying 7bill equals infinity and then discount 7bil bil bil bil possibilities as finite :P

But you are correct that true infinity is probably not a possibility, unless we talk multiple universes. But we will probably never know.

You seem to lean towards contraction expansion form of the universe, and thats fine. But we dont know if thats the exact truth. A universe that from a black hole explodes into what we know and over time looses its push and then contracts into the black hole again, redoing the universe.
Sound theory but already known :P


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Earth, secluded holds infinite possibilities as you say.
But the universe doesnt


The pattern of infinite possibilities is observed in nature and extends as far as we can see. Logic dictates that pattern does not stop just outside of our observational range.


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No one knows how large the actual universe is, nor the shape.
And the shape is essential to how large and the answer of infinity.
Certain shapes will collapse (might be what causes big bangs), others only have so much mass potential. Yet some will break off into smaller pieces.

You cannot start a meassure with saying 7bill equals infinity and then discount 7bil bil bil bil possibilities as finite :P

But you are correct that true infinity is probably not a possibility, unless we talk multiple universes. But we will probably never know.

You seem to lean towards contraction expansion form of the universe, and thats fine. But we dont know if thats the exact truth. A universe that from a black hole explodes into what we know and over time looses its push and then contracts into the black hole again, redoing the universe.
Sound theory but already known


I don't think you understood what I am describing. I laid out how black holes at the center of galaxies could create new big bangs and universes.
I do appreciate a serious response with original thought and honesty. Thank you for that.
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Jul 26 2014 10:13am
First of, not every person on earth is unique, nor is any animal tree or w/e.

There r patterns in all humans that show how similar we r with eachother. The way we speak, what we like/dislike etc... Its all dependant on the character of the people we grow up with. If u grew up with monkeys and spent the first 20 years of ur life in the jingle surrounded only by monkeys, u would act exactly like a monkey (u will of course be a bit more resourful given ur brain power but in general u would act like an animal).
I dont rly understand what makes u think that everything on earth is unique in itself :p

About the big bang.

Its not caused by a black hole therefore ur whole theory that black holes in different galaxies can create different universes, is impossible.

What caused the big bang (im also not extremely knowledgable of the physics terminology) is dark energy if i remember correct.

Basically when the big bang occurred, a liarge amount of energy was released. That energy has a greater value that dark energy which is basically the oposite of the energy created by the big bang.
Slowly as the energy from the big bang weakens it will reach a point where it will be weaker than the dark energy.
At that point the universe will start reversing until it is squashed into itself and the bi bang will happen again.

I've also read a theory by some German physicist stating that the universe is already static or in a process of shrinking...
What he was saying is that basically everything in the universe grows in mass with time therefore as planets become larger in mass and have greater gravity pull theoretically galaxies r pull into eachother as their gravity pull grows.

He explained that the way we measure the explansion of the universe by looking at pictures from planets and analysing the color is totally deceiving.

He points out that we determine if an object is further away by the brightness of its color however the increase of mass can also be the reason the object shows up brighter than it was before.

As i was reading more into the theory though, it appears that he cant prove what he is stating therefor it just stays as a theory and not a fact, like most of the other ideas about the universe :p

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Jul 26 2014 10:48am
Quote (luckspin @ Jul 26 2014 11:13am)
First of, not every person on earth is unique, nor is any animal tree or w/e.

There r patterns in all humans that show how similar we r with eachother. The way we speak, what we like/dislike etc... Its all dependant on the character of the people we grow up with. If u grew up with monkeys and spent the first 20 years of ur life in the jingle surrounded only by monkeys, u would act exactly like a monkey (u will of course be a bit more resourful given ur brain power but in general u would act like an animal).
I dont rly understand what makes u think that everything on earth is unique in itself :p

About the big bang.

Its not caused by a black hole therefore ur whole theory that black holes in different galaxies can create different universes, is impossible.

What caused the big bang (im also not extremely knowledgable of the physics terminology) is dark energy if i remember correct.

Basically when the big bang occurred, a liarge amount of energy was released. That energy has a greater value that dark energy which is basically the oposite of the energy created by the big bang.
Slowly as the energy from the big bang weakens it will reach a point where it will be weaker than the dark energy.
At that point the universe will start reversing until it is squashed into itself and the bi bang will happen again.

I've also read a theory by some German physicist stating that the universe is already static or in a process of shrinking...
What he was saying is that basically everything in the universe grows in mass with time therefore as planets become larger in mass and have greater gravity pull theoretically galaxies r pull into eachother as their gravity pull grows.

He explained that the way we measure the explansion of the universe by looking at pictures from planets and analysing the color is totally deceiving.

He points out that we determine if an object is further away by the brightness of its color however the increase of mass can also be the reason the object shows up brighter than it was before.

As i was reading more into the theory though, it appears that he cant prove what he is stating therefor it just stays as a theory and not a fact, like most of the other ideas about the universe :p


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There r patterns in all humans that show how similar we r with eachother. The way we speak, what we like/dislike etc... Its all dependant on the character of the people we grow up with. If u grew up with monkeys and spent the first 20 years of ur life in the jingle surrounded only by monkeys, u would act exactly like a monkey (u will of course be a bit more resourful given ur brain power but in general u would act like an animal).
I dont rly understand what makes u think that everything on earth is unique in itself :p


I mentioned a few of many traits in which we are all different, and we are all different in what we like as well. I challenge you to find two people who like all the same songs. Sure maybe they like 100 out of 100 songs, but listen to 10,000 songs, they are not going to agree. Same with food, movies, ect ect. No two people think exactly the same way. To suggest differently is absurd.

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As i was reading more into the theory though, it appears that he cant prove what he is stating therefor it just stays as a theory and not a fact, like most of the other ideas about the univers


This is why I wasn't interested in someone quoting theory to me. 1) School is largely designed to teach you to conform. 2) The scientific community itself often shuns those with opposing viewpoints, not even letting them get peer reviewed and desk rejecting their work. 3) it is just theory and much of it will be reversed in due time.

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Basically when the big bang occurred, a liarge amount of energy was released. That energy has a greater value that dark energy which is basically the oposite of the energy created by the big bang.
Slowly as the energy from the big bang weakens it will reach a point where it will be weaker than the dark energy.
At that point the universe will start reversing until it is squashed into itself and the bi bang will happen again.


What you're talking about is the deflation theory I don't think that theory is going to hold up.
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Aug 18 2014 02:41pm
Had to dig up this old thread. I saw an episode of cosmos yesterday where neil degrasse tyson speaks about how black holes could have universes inside of them. Not exactly what i'm talking about here but close enough that it confirms my theory is possible. Always nice to have a world famous astrophysicist back me up.
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Oct 25 2014 11:57am
Quote (luckspin @ Jul 26 2014 11:13am)
First of, not every person on earth is unique, nor is any animal tree or w/e.

There r patterns in all humans that show how similar we r with eachother. The way we speak, what we like/dislike etc... Its all dependant on the character of the people we grow up with. If u grew up with monkeys and spent the first 20 years of ur life in the jingle surrounded only by monkeys, u would act exactly like a monkey (u will of course be a bit more resourful given ur brain power but in general u would act like an animal).
I dont rly understand what makes u think that everything on earth is unique in itself :p

About the big bang.

Its not caused by a black hole therefore ur whole theory that black holes in different galaxies can create different universes, is impossible.

What caused the big bang (im also not extremely knowledgable of the physics terminology) is dark energy if i remember correct.

Basically when the big bang occurred, a liarge amount of energy was released. That energy has a greater value that dark energy which is basically the oposite of the energy created by the big bang.
Slowly as the energy from the big bang weakens it will reach a point where it will be weaker than the dark energy.
At that point the universe will start reversing until it is squashed into itself and the bi bang will happen again.

I've also read a theory by some German physicist stating that the universe is already static or in a process of shrinking...
What he was saying is that basically everything in the universe grows in mass with time therefore as planets become larger in mass and have greater gravity pull theoretically galaxies r pull into eachother as their gravity pull grows.

He explained that the way we measure the explansion of the universe by looking at pictures from planets and analysing the color is totally deceiving.

He points out that we determine if an object is further away by the brightness of its color however the increase of mass can also be the reason the object shows up brighter than it was before.

As i was reading more into the theory though, it appears that he cant prove what he is stating therefor it just stays as a theory and not a fact, like most of the other ideas about the universe :p


no dark energy is the explanation of cosmic inflation (after the big bang), the prevalent hypothesis on what caused the big bang is a process called quantum tunneling in which material from another universe "tunneled" away and gave birth to our universe
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Oct 25 2014 05:20pm
Quote (nineinchnailz @ Jul 23 2014 11:04pm)
Every star runs out of fuel and there isn't even light to feed the hungry monster.  The black hole compresses and grinds all particles within it breaking down the smallest building blocks of matter into an ultra pure form of energy.  Out of food, the black hole explodes giving birth to a whole new Universe.

While this doesn't technically disprove your ideas, we have observed several black holes that were idly not consuming stars (usually through gravitational lensing), and we've also observed them begin consuming stars as well:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/04/05/astronomers-may-have-witnessed-a-star-torn-apart-by-a-black-hole/#.VEwvUYvF-KE

From our perspective here, we can't observe universes being created in these idle black holes, but since it's theoretically impossible to know what goes on past the event horizon, it's always going to be one of those questions that are interesting to think about.
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Oct 25 2014 08:54pm
Quote (nineinchnailz @ 26 Jul 2014 03:01)
The pattern of infinite possibilities is observed in nature and extends as far as we can see.  Logic dictates that pattern does not stop just outside of our observational range. ...


No, all we observe is a finite number of possibilities however big that number is, it is still finite.
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Oct 28 2014 01:23pm
Quote (brmv @ Oct 25 2014 09:54pm)
No, all we observe is a finite number of possibilities however big that number is, it is still finite.


Ok but patterns that exist throughout the observed universe aren't likely to end just outside our observational range.
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