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Jun 10 2014 03:25pm
Quote (Viona @ Jun 9 2014 08:54am)
Nothing is "for a reason", it's just the way things work. The universe does not have a purpose to make us wonder anything -- it's just the way it is.


Perfect! No one could say it any better.
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Jun 11 2014 02:18am
Quote (Viona @ Jun 9 2014 08:54am)
Nothing is "for a reason", it's just the way things work. The universe does not have a purpose to make us wonder anything -- it's just the way it is.


That is a worldview and not science related.

We can't derive "reasons" or "purpose" with science. We can only know what is and what isn't.
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Jun 11 2014 03:02am
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That is a worldview and not science related.

We can't derive "reasons" or "purpose" with science. We can only know what is and what isn't.


we can't even know what is and isn't because knowledge itself is just a concept fabricated from our brain machine.
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Jun 11 2014 04:01am
Quote (PixileDust @ Jun 11 2014 04:18am)
That is a worldview and not science related.

We can't derive "reasons" or "purpose" with science. We can only know what is and what isn't.


isn't that what a theory is? Like a law states something that happens, while a theory attempts to explain why it happens.
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Jun 11 2014 06:29am
Quote (Puls3 @ Jun 11 2014 03:02am)
we can't even know what is and isn't because knowledge itself is just a concept fabricated from our brain machine.


Facts are truths that we observe. Knowledge is merely knowing and understanding those truths.

So, to say that we can't know facts is to say either are methods of observation (our senses) or the truths themselves are flawed.

That is ridiculous.
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Jun 11 2014 08:20am
Quote (Puls3 @ 11 Jun 2014 04:02)
we can't even know what is and isn't because knowledge itself is just a concept fabricated from our brain machine.


Even if it was, that doesn't matter.

The universe is only as big as you think it is.

Speed of light law just has to do with our basic physics laws. If the foundation of our universe was changed slightly, physics would have different laws and the speed of light may be different or it may not exist at all. It just says that matter cannot travel faster than or at the same speed as this. If it did, it wouldn't be matter anymore. Some research has been done about forces potentially communicating faster than the speed of light (forget the name but if two atoms have the same electron path, then you move them farther away and change it, the other's will change at the same time, or something like that) but we know gravity doesn't, so it seems unlikely that any would.

And yes, reason governs this universe. So there is a reason, but it may not be as exciting or thought-provoking as you want it to be. It could just be that space is just that big. It could be that matter has only drifted so far into the void. It probably doesn't have anything to do with our wants/curiosities.
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Quote (Ghnami @ Jun 11 2014 08:20am)
Even if it was, that doesn't matter.

The universe is only as big as you think it is.

Speed of light law just has to do with our basic physics laws. If the foundation of our universe was changed slightly, physics would have different laws and the speed of light may be different or it may not exist at all. It just says that matter cannot travel faster than or at the same speed as this. If it did, it wouldn't be matter anymore. Some research has been done about forces potentially communicating faster than the speed of light (forget the name but if two atoms have the same electron path, then you move them farther away and change it, the other's will change at the same time, or something like that) but we know gravity doesn't, so it seems unlikely that any would.

And yes, reason governs this universe. So there is a reason, but it may not be as exciting or thought-provoking as you want it to be. It could just be that space is just that big. It could be that matter has only drifted so far into the void. It probably doesn't have anything to do with our wants/curiosities.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentric_universe
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Jun 12 2014 09:56pm
God made it so to fuck with scientists
source: the bible
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Jun 12 2014 11:29pm
Quote (Exx @ Jun 12 2014 09:56pm)
God made it so to fuck with scientists
source: the bible


rofl
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Jun 12 2014 11:42pm
Quote (Puls3 @ Jun 13 2014 01:29am)
rofl


My thaughts exactly...
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