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Apr 10 2014 06:42pm
Quote (Azrad @ Apr 10 2014 12:47pm)
BTW, I'm glad we finally got an interesting topic in here!

Ok here is what I see:  The input to your black box is I, the output is R (from your picture). If we then do it the opposite way, input light along R, we get light out at I. But if you use say I as the input and T as the output, to go the opposite way we'll have to feed light in on the T path, and again we'll get light at I.

I'm kind of cheating here because I realized a while ago that what you are trying to construct is a Maxwell demon. The challenging part is to find the problem with each suggestion.


If R is the input, we wouldn't get JUST I as the output. What about transmission?
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Apr 10 2014 06:54pm
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If R is the input, we wouldn't get JUST I as the output. What about transmission?


By input and output I'm talking about the device as a whole, the black box.
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Apr 10 2014 06:57pm
Something like this:

Where you can put light in at point A, and get light out at point B. But if you put light in at point B, you won't get light out at point A.
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Apr 10 2014 10:06pm
Quote (Azrad @ Apr 10 2014 05:57pm)
Something like this:
http://s28.postimg.org/8x021zva5/blackbox.png
Where you can put light in at point A, and get light out at point B. But if you put light in at point B, you won't get light out at point A.


That's not how I interpreted his question. I saw it as "you put light in at point A, it comes out at point B. But if you put light in at point B, it comes out in places other than point A (and maybe A also)". So it took one path going one way, and another path going the other way.
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Apr 10 2014 10:58pm
Quote (Azrad @ Apr 10 2014 05:57pm)
Something like this:
http://s28.postimg.org/8x021zva5/blackbox.png
Where you can put light in at point A, and get light out at point B. But if you put light in at point B, you won't get light out at point A.


How about this?



Going one way it will go from A to B, but going the other way it won't.
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Apr 10 2014 11:02pm
Quote (russian @ Apr 10 2014 09:58pm)
How about this?

http://www.passmyexams.co.uk/GCSE/physics/images/tot_int_ref_02.jpg

Going one way it will go from A to B, but going the other way it won't.


where is A and B? :D
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Apr 10 2014 11:47pm
Quote (russian @ Apr 10 2014 09:06pm)
That's not how I interpreted his question. I saw it as "you put light in at point A, it comes out at point B. But if you put light in at point B, it comes out in places other than point A (and maybe A also)". So it took one path going one way, and another path going the other way.

Well, you will get youself into trouble if you start talking about which path the light took. All you can really say is it started somewhere and was then detected somewhere else.

The picture you drew is another great challenge to find the error. Here the problem is the precise angles. You can not feed the light in at exactly the critical angle, and you can not feed it back the other direction exactly perpendicular to the glass. So you can not get the behaviour as drawn with a real box. Some of the light from A will not be reflected as drawn, and some of the light from B will be reflected back to A.

There is always going to be a problem since the black box I described earlier would allow you to reduce then entropy of the universe and make free energy. Something like this:


You start the system with the hot reservoir hot, the cold reservoir cold. Heat spontaneous moves from the hot reservoir to the cold reservoir and produces work with a heat engine. This quickly comes to a halt when the cold reservoir and the hot reservoir come to the same temperature. So then you use the one way black box to allow photons to pass from the cold reservoir to the hot reservoir, but prevent the opposite. Now your cold reservoir is cold again, and the hot one is hot again. Rinse and repeat, get as much free energy as you want. Which leaves us with a contradiction. IMO the way to resolve the contraction is simple, that black box don't exist.
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May 25 2014 02:33am
I don't think it's possible but un never no
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May 28 2014 01:51pm
Bunch of triangles / pyramids with mirrors is closest / easier thing I can think of.
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