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Oct 11 2013 04:13am

I like the idea at least how it can relate to math. A lot of the time I think of math equations as their own little universes.

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Oct 11 2013 04:19am

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... What are your opinions on the idea that there is not just one universe, but an infinite amount of infinite universes.

maybe you should have used that statement as op rather than first stating some genuine crap

the various 'multiverse theories' are so far not even at a true hypothesis level but rather speculations
as said there are various 'theories' and not all imply an infinite amount of infinite universes
so far there is no evidence which requires any 'multiverse theory' as explanation
and in view of that, i reserve my judgement on the cosmological issue
mathematically one can create models of multiverses of different multitudes and different physical constrains
but that something can be modeled mathematically doesn't make it real

makes for some nice science fiction though

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Oct 11 2013 05:06am

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Oct 11 2013 07:23am

pretty cool

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Oct 11 2013 04:02pm

So i guess if gravity holds all matter together then the whole moon operation was just a farce cos the rocket Gagarin was on would have just collapsed in tiny particles as it enters the outer space...

The whole thing looks like someones fantasy and as theres literally no proof in anything stated then i guess what u expect of ppl to reply with is some other proof less piece of writing that came streight out of their imagination and explains where we r.

Im sure some weed addict would give a fairly interesting answer but it wouldnt be me

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Oct 11 2013 05:23pm

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Gravity doesnt hold everything together. Quite the contrary, gravity holds very few things together compared to the other fundamental forces.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html

Its an easy read.

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Oct 11 2013 05:59pm

i read one of stephen hawkings books, it was called a brief history of time

it talks about multiverses in there, and he talks about it on a level that if i attempted to restate it off the top of my head, it wouldnt do him justice

tl;dr read that book, not the dark tower.

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Oct 11 2013 10:10pm

Quote (TheCrimson @ Oct 11 2013 12:21am)

The Universe offers a paradox far too great for the finite mind to grasp. As the living brain cannot conceive of a non-living brain, although it may think it can, the finite mind cannot grasp the infinite. One might take the end of a pencil and magnify it. One reaches the point where a stunning realization strikes home: the pencil-tip is not solid; it is comprised of atoms which whirl and revolve like a trillion demon planets. What seems solid to us is only a lose net held together by gravity. Viewed at their actual size, the distance between these atoms becomes leagues, gulfs, aeons. The atoms themselves are comprised of nuclei and revolving protons and electrons. One may step down further to subatomic particles. And then to what? Tachyons? Nothing? Of course not. Everything in the universe denies nothing; to suggest an ending is the one absurdity. If you fell outward to the limit of the universe, would you find a board fence and signs reading DEAD END? No. You may find something hard and rounded, as the chick must see the egg from the inside. And if you should peck through that shell (or find a door), what great and torrential light might shine through your opening at the end of space? Might you look through and discover our entire universe is but one atom on a blade of grass? Might you be forced to think that by burning a twig you incinerate an eternity of eternities? That existence rises not to one infinite but to an infinity of them? Maybe the greatest mystery in the universe is not life, but size.

The majority of this is quoted directly from a book but I was curious as to what responses this would receive, i would love to hear your opinions on what is essentially the "multiverse theory".

>what is essentially the "multiverse theory"

It's a rather simple concept if you frame is generally. 'Multiverse' is the failed implication of the Universe. Which tries to state, their are Multiple Universes, that are not affiliated in any way.

The Universe is always going to be grander than the 'Multiverse', simply because if the 'Multiverse' exists, it's entire existence is within the Universe; as stated by the word u·ni·verse. There cannot be multiple Universes, because that conflicts with the meaning of the word.
Every verse is divisible by one. One is only divisible by itself.
Universe is only equal to universe, because it can only exist as itself. 'Multiverse' in essence is comprised of multiple universes, which thus means it is divisible by not only itself, but by other things. This means it is not as holistic, and thus less absolute. There can be multiple 'Multiverses' within the Universe, but there may not be multiple Universes, simply because it would be a Duoverse if there were more than one of them.

To put it into perspective, if you're trying to exaggerate something; "In the whole world..." "In all of the galaxy..."; Universe is still greater than Multiverse.
It's a child's notion to try to separate infinity into multiple infinities. Infinity is infinity no matter how you look at it. Any change will simply be a deviation from it's sum; rather than an additive.

Universe + 1 = Universe - 1 = Universe + 1 = Universe - 1...etc
It's a temporal causality, in which the value is replicated with zero increase or decrease, yet still manages to produce a temporal amount of additional data, though it never actually becomes existent, because once the formula actually finishes, or is concluded; it returns to it's original state: Universe.

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Oct 11 2013 10:19pm

Quote (Immortal0 @ 12 Oct 2013 04:10)

... Infinity is infinity no matter how you look at it. ...

you are wrong here
are you able to work out why?

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Oct 11 2013 11:03pm

Yea there are different infinities in the same way there are different zeroes. Some arnt really infinities or zeroes, rather you need to use different techniques to discover what they really are.

A good example are integrals that fail using "standard" techniques. They integrate to infinity, but when you apply different methods one can arrive at a very real (sometimes imaginary :P) answer.

And one is divisible into an infinite number of fractions.

And multiverse is a popsci version of the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. one can read more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

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In many-worlds, the subjective appearance of wavefunction collapse is explained by the mechanism of quantum decoherence, which resolves all of the correlation paradoxes of quantum theory, such as the EPR paradox[12][13] and Schrödinger's cat,[1] since every possible outcome of every event defines or exists in its own "history" or "world".

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