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Oct 3 2012 02:39pm
Quote (Nazzgul1982 @ 27 Sep 2012 21:39)
I am having a hard time understanding the concept of Imaginary time and how space and time is relevant to it. Pretend you are talking to someone who is not a physicist if you answer lol. From what I understand is that Imaginary time is time not bound by the laws of space time and time can operate separate from space and in theory can cultivate multiple different outcomes from the same points of origin. It is like another dimension of time? I don't know.... It just seems like physicist these days will come up with anything and everything to try to describe what they do not understand.

a finite mathematical line of time with infinite boundaries.......... Sounds like hawking might have done a little LSD at some point.


Now for the graph!!!!! Yay for graphs!


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Yes I know, My graph sucks but you get the idea.


Well I am not very good in science, but I can tell you time does not exist... The present moment exists, it is evolving, but it is still always the present moment no matter what "time" it is.
For exemple tomorrow does not exist untill it is today.
Any moment you live is the present moment... NOW is really happening, it is the only thing you can know for sure.
So if you really want a time to exist, call it now/the present.

Here is a good illustration :)

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Oct 4 2012 02:11am
Quote (Eti_fr @ Oct 3 2012 11:39pm)
Well I am not very good in science, but I can tell you time does not exist... The present moment exists, it is evolving, but it is still always the present moment no matter what "time" it is.
For exemple tomorrow does not exist untill it is today.
Any moment you live is the present moment... NOW is really happening, it is the only thing you can know for sure.
So if you really want a time to exist, call it now/the present.

Here is a good illustration :)

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/257801Sanstitre.png


yes, time doesnt exist, thats why time dilation is a bunch of crap
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Oct 4 2012 11:27am
Quote (Ocen @ Oct 4 2012 02:11am)
yes, time doesnt exist, thats why time dilation is a bunch of crap


but it's been empirically verified...and furthermore is consistent with what you quoted and agreed with

Quote (Eti_fr @ Oct 3 2012 02:39pm)
Well I am not very good in science, but I can tell you time does not exist... The present moment exists, it is evolving, but it is still always the present moment no matter what "time" it is.
For exemple tomorrow does not exist untill it is today.
Any moment you live is the present moment... NOW is really happening, it is the only thing you can know for sure.
So if you really want a time to exist, call it now/the present.

Here is a good illustration :)

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/257801Sanstitre.png


I would argue time is the phenomenon through which the present is evolving. it sounds to me like you're suggesting the past and the future don't exist

This post was edited by Derkaderk on Oct 4 2012 11:32am
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Quote (Derkaderk @ Oct 4 2012 08:27pm)
but it's been empirically verified...and furthermore is consistent with what you quoted and agreed with


it was sarcasm, and i dunno what quotes and agreements youre talking about :huh:
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Oct 6 2012 09:52pm
To clarify my "time doesn't exist", I mean that fundamentally, I think that time is not required for a complete description of the universe. By this - time is just a human construct, a "using our fingers to count to 10" tool that we use to understand the universe for the time being. In the end, I'm convinced time won't be needed.
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Oct 7 2012 11:38am
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I personally believe that time doesn't exist at all.  Just a human construct.


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Oct 8 2012 05:06pm
Quote (Derkaderk @ 4 Oct 2012 19:27)
but it's been empirically verified...and furthermore is consistent with what you quoted and agreed with



I would argue time is the phenomenon through which the present is evolving. it sounds to me like you're suggesting the past and the future don't exist


Yeah actually, only the present moment is real, exists... it is eternal and perfect.
The past was the present moment and is now done... the future will only become real when it will be the present moment.
The present is all that is.
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Oct 8 2012 06:21pm
Quote (Eti_fr @ Oct 8 2012 07:06pm)
Yeah actually, only the present moment is real, exists... it is eternal and perfect.
The past was the present moment and is now done... the future will only become real when it will be the present moment.
The present is all that is.


If the present is all that is real, Then why does the past feel so real. Why do my memories remain even after the moment is gone? How do we pass information from human to human over generation to generation if the past generations are not real and only existed for there moment? How is the future not real when we can predict so many variables of it to uncanny precision? Time is real. It exist. We live in it on a far greater scale than the calendar of earth years we abide by. There was more to time than this moment and there will be more to time even long after we are gone. But data is never lost, not even to time. Light, DNA, etc. It lives on and the data is not lost. Time is not lost. It is real and it is all relevant and not chaotic.

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Oct 8 2012 09:45pm
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Quote (Nazzgul1982 @ Oct 8 2012 08:21pm)
If the present is all that is real, Then why does the past feel so real. Why do my memories remain even after the moment is gone? How do we pass information from human to human over generation to generation if the past generations are not real and only existed for there moment? How is the future not real when we can predict so many variables of it to uncanny precision? Time is real. It exist. We live in it on a far greater scale than the calendar of earth years we abide by. There was more to time than this moment and there will be more to time even long after we are gone. But data is never lost, not even to time. Light, DNA, etc. It lives on and the data is not lost. Time is not lost. It is real and it is all relevant and not chaotic.


The past is a chemical replica in our minds of what was once 'Now.' The other phenomenon require no transcendent quality of time.
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Oct 9 2012 09:25am
Quote (Nazzgul1982 @ Oct 8 2012 06:21pm)
If the present is all that is real, Then why does the past feel so real. Why do my memories remain even after the moment is gone? How do we pass information from human to human over generation to generation if the past generations are not real and only existed for there moment? How is the future not real when we can predict so many variables of it to uncanny precision? Time is real. It exist. We live in it on a far greater scale than the calendar of earth years we abide by. There was more to time than this moment and there will be more to time even long after we are gone. But data is never lost, not even to time. Light, DNA, etc. It lives on and the data is not lost. Time is not lost. It is real and it is all relevant and not chaotic.


i think tangible is the word he was going for. i would agree that in some sense they are real, but i also use a very broad definition of real
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