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May 3 2012 03:33pm
I love space. The universe and all it's wonders that we know of are just mind boggling. Just think about what we don't know of. There's literally infinite possibilities in the universe of what could be out there.

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on topic: agnostic...waiting for proof of why im here
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The story of how the universe has evolved is somewhat long and I've discussed some of the details previously on d2jsp; for now it will probably suffice to point anyone curious to one of Stephen Hawking's or Brian Greene's books on the subject :) If anyone has any questions about it, please feel free to PM me. I will touch on some leading ideas below.

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on topic: agnostic...waiting for proof of why im here


I actually wanted to post to address this post. The idea of proof of why any of us exist is somewhat odd, if only because it asks a 'why' question when a 'how' question is probably a better investment. Presumably the meaning of lif eis whatever we make it--we have a choice about what purpose we may ascribe to our own lives. How we got here is a question that begins to be resolved by followed the human genome backward in time as humans generally moved out of Africa just before mixing with Neatherthal and another species to the East. Before that we were basically huddles in Africa for quite some time, evolving from simpler forms of the genus homo. Before that, our much earlier relatives included lemur-like creatures; and, much earlier than that, we descended from fish. Actually, our lungs evolved from gills, and or arms and legs evolved from fins. All creatures with spinal columns have a common ancestor, hence the phylum chordata. Alas, even such complex creatures as early fish and fish-like creatures evolved from stuff that practically oozed out of the cambrian period--it's likel ythat virtually all animals came from sponge-like creatures. And, as we devolve backward in time, our older and older ancestors came from simple organisms, which in turn emerged out of a primordial stew, made up of mixed amino acids and tar-like susbtances. Proteins and chemicals combined to form this early muck.

The rest of the short version of our history is essentially lost in space. First, it seems there were quantum fluctuations that eventually caused the Big Bang, from which incredible energy blasted into (and creating) space and time; initially, even time was so compressed that it was essentially a spatial dimension. The three-dimensionality of our (experienced) universe is due to the Big Bang, but we could have had a different type of universe altogether. We just got lucky, and luckier still that our universe enables the stable formation of certain elements, including hydrogen, helium, lithium, and carbon (some of the oldest elements). We're also lucky that forces developed early on, and that our universe has a relatively (but not perfectly) balanced density. This enables the formation of stars, and, consequently, the formation of heavier elements and even planets ... and, eventually, the conditions required for life.

I hope that was somewhat helpful, even if it's just a very brief summation of a rather complex story. And yes, of course, I know about M-theory and how we don't have just 3-D space and time. My point is that our particularly human story requires 3-D, because otherwise the stuff that makes us wouldn't hold together.

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May 4 2012 05:32pm
Quote (abearan @ May 3 2012 05:29pm)
there HAS to be a reason why we are here brah


false

there has to be a cause, not a reason
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I'm not versed enough in universe creation philosophy to talk directly about it, but I am a huge fan of some of the ideas that came about for life on Earth.

These include:

Miller and Urey experiment: http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html

RNA World: http://www.panspermia.org/rnaworld.htm

The origin of cells/Endosymbiosis, Eukaryotic cells: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9841/

en·do·sym·bi·o·sis/ˌendōˌsimbēˈōsis/
Noun:
Symbiosis in which one of the symbiotic organisms lives inside the other.

http://go.hrw.com/resources/go_sc/bpe/HM9PE510.PDF

In tandem, these ideas coincide surprisingly well and offer a very solid look on how the first microbial organisms were able to be established.
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May 5 2012 12:25pm
Quote (Jp2050 @ May 4 2012 05:32pm)
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there has to be a cause, not a reason


that's not necessarily true either
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May 5 2012 02:32pm
Quote (piddywiffle @ May 4 2012 09:13pm)
I'm not versed enough in universe creation philosophy to talk directly about it, but I am a huge fan of some of the ideas that came about for life on Earth.

These include:

Miller and Urey experiment: http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html

RNA World: http://www.panspermia.org/rnaworld.htm

The origin of cells/Endosymbiosis, Eukaryotic cells: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9841/

en·do·sym·bi·o·sis/ˌendōˌsimbēˈōsis/
Noun:
Symbiosis in which one of the symbiotic organisms lives inside the other.

http://go.hrw.com/resources/go_sc/bpe/HM9PE510.PDF

In tandem, these ideas coincide surprisingly well and offer a very solid look on how the first microbial organisms were able to be established.


stealing this thx

As for the universe, I think it simply was and continues to be. Creation need not be manditory
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May 6 2012 08:18am
Quote (abearan @ May 3 2012 11:29pm)
there HAS to be a reason why we are here brah


your reason is to moderate forum dummy
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