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Feb 19 2012 04:24am
honestly i think god created the universe then evolution took place and the rest is history
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Feb 19 2012 09:41am
Quote (Taniwha @ Feb 17 2012 06:48pm)
I've pondered for a long time.. How did our universe come to be?

I soon discovered simple theories which made sense but it still left me to wonder..

There had to be something that it came from. You can't make fire without friction.. What rubbed together to spark it up?

Spoiler alert, I do not believe in God and I believe science to be our only saving grace, but...

Perhaps there is a "God" particle that creates friction, creates dust...

Said particle existing somehow in a way that we could never comprehend..

Maybe that is how we got confused and thought there was a man in the clouds?

I'd like to hear what other people think.

I know we're probably too stupid as humans to understand but I really need something to rest my head.


I watched a video on this in my physics class last year.
Imo its pointless to support theories of how the universe came about and what not because nobody has any idea.
No one knows what actually happened, and there is no good evidence supporting any theory so it basically comes down to faith (be it in 'science', religion etc).

This video tho said that there are 4-D 'branes'. Our univserse exists as one of these branes iirc (or inside the brane).
This theory stated that our brane collided with another brane giving the 'friction' or startup energy for the big bang.

Does this sound plausible? Sure.
Is there any evidence for or against it? Nope.

So you can believe this or anything else you want, because the origin of the universe will not be known in our lifetime.

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Quote (GrindTime @ Feb 18 2012 03:08pm)
again, we have encountered a limit on a subatomic level. we have proven 3 things. 1 is that the human brain isnt even capable of fully understanding what goes on at a subatomic level
2 is, these particles are literally engineered to keep us in the dark, to hide information from us, its a full blown ruse.
3 is, you can know measurement 1 of a particle, or measurement 2 of a particle, however you cannot know both measurements.


Yes these are limits atm, but imo will not last forever.
How much generally accepted 'science' has been disproven as we become more advanced?
The world was flat, the sun revolved around the Earth, rotting food caused spontaneous generation of maggots..etc.

Yes right now we can not fathom a way to overcome the uncertainty principle, but (hopefully humanity can exist) in hundreds or thousands of years from now they could have technology and insight to overcome such obstacles.

No one ever thought we'd leave this planet and go to the moon but it happened. If you told a philosopher from Ancient Greece/Rome that we'd travel to the moon they'd have called you ridiculous. Just as you would call me ridiculous if I claimed the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle was not infact true.

Thats just my take on things. Science evolves and at some point all of these laws we have now could be disproven, tweaked or more fully understood.

I'm pretty sure all we need to do is achieve absolute zero to nullify the uncertainty principle.

This post was edited by murder567 on Feb 19 2012 09:50am
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Feb 21 2012 12:46pm
if you see with your eyes your easily fooled even perception is blinded an truly ignorant towards the nature of the universe being "human" we think we are top guns
but in truth out of the billions of Galaxies and even other universes that exist in the Cosmic "Physical" Existence that we all experience as reality
its on terms of the more spiritual science ,quantum mechanics and other sciences seem to look down on.

we could of been born anywhere in this universal existence not just this single place we call earth
for all we haver ever known and love and destroyed is all on 1 rock in space we are a young society we still have limit our selfs by fighting another over land and resources, Color and Creed
truly a society that
is limited by such factors do not really deserve to know the true nature of the universe.
but
Purpose it played out and its all how we see it as the Glass Half full or Half Empty or Wtf is a Glass and Water

in simple terms we are a Class 0 Civilizational so our science and other ways of thinking are comparable to that of a new born.
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Feb 21 2012 05:37pm
keep in mind that time is a definition, a construct that we (as humans) created in an attempt to understand and to name the things we see happening around us. the concepts "beginning" and "end", and even "never" and "forever" are entirely man-made. our sense of time is wholly man-made, and merely a reflection of how we perceive the world(s) around us.

so try as we may to describe what happened to the universe in the past, present, or future... we are still limited by our mental capacity to perceive and to describe these things. religion is just one language that's used to talk about this; and science a different language. but regardless of what language we use to try to make sense of our existence and the existence of the universe around us, our understanding is still ultimately curtailed by the limitations of the languages themselves.
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Feb 21 2012 10:06pm
I think existence is transcendent to reason and purpose. The whole of everything needs not to be created and may work in ways beyond our plane of understanding.
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Feb 22 2012 11:11pm
Humanity isn't close to answering this question. There is still a lot more exploring, theorizing and testing that needs to be done before we approach even understanding what our universe IS, let alone understanding what made it be this way.
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Feb 24 2012 05:27pm
Quote (Jupe @ 18 Feb 2012 19:37)
God created universe like 4000 years ago, bible says so


Yeah considering our planet is 4 billion years old.

Makes sense.
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Feb 24 2012 08:04pm
Quote (Jupe @ Feb 18 2012 05:37pm)
God created universe like 4000 years ago, bible says so


I realize you're probably trolling,

But I wanted to point out that the bible doesn't say that anywhere.

There is nothing in the scriptures that gives a specific age to the Earth, or the Universe.
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Feb 24 2012 09:11pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ 18 Feb 2012 18:08)
You may enjoy watching this video that sort of addresses this subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

Unfortunately it doesn't include the question/answer session after his presentation :(


rofl

richard dawkins got shutdown by bill o reilly

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Feb 24 2012 09:13pm
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"Every atom in your body came from a Star that exploded"


ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


Is this a joke?

This post was edited by HighschoolTurd on Feb 24 2012 09:14pm
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