Quote (Derkaderk @ Dec 19 2011 05:23am)
well, if you've ever had a lucid dream, you know you basically can just focus on imagining something, and watch it manifest itself. That's what I saw in mescaline that I didn't see in DMT. DMT hits you like a freight train and sort of has its own agenda. Mescaline beckons you to interject your own creativity (as does LSD in a lot of ways). I remember even on my first, low-dose mescaline experience, there was a time when I could close my eyes and just let my imagination run wild and little abstract images would appear to perfectly reflect what I was thinking on. It was way more concrete than it sounds. I know you can already just close your eyes and imagine something, but it was actually there. Anyway, the higher the doses, the dreamier it gets. There's a certain feeling - not just a body load - I associate with dreaming. I can imagine it, but I can't quite put it into words. It's like an eerie fog almost.
Another comment on the manifesting of your imagination: I should say objects rarely pop in and out of existence. Like on any trip, in a dream, you work with your surroundings. There's some subconsciousness involved in dreaming which lays a foundation beyond your control. So you can conjure up things, but it's not like you dissociate from reality and conjure up everything. You can, but it's always been a fleeting, temporary aspect of the trip that usually comes around a really heavy peak. It's like dozing off, and then catching yourself in a dream, so you snap awake. It's mostly just watching things that are already there morph into whatever you expect them to morph into. Obviously this is a lot more powerful in dreams because in a dream you're wandering around your own imagination.
As for the scheduling, I wasn't saying they shouldn't research it. I was saying it's incredibly difficult to acquire grants and permission to research it. I agree wholeheartedly that psychedelic drugs provide tremendous insight into neurology, but unfortunately a little bit of curiosity into how we think isn't good enough for the federal government.
Also, I recommend reading Peyote experiences on Erowid. I, personally, have never done peyote (I've done San Pedro), but the experiences involve profound visions. These visions remind me of dreams. A sort of out of body dissociation which can happen under the right circumstances if you're open to it.
Anyway, I can talk a lot about mescaline. It's one of my favorite experiences.
Unfortunately, I've never had the pleasure to fully experience a lucid dream through the WILD method, only vaguely through the WBTB one. But I do see what your getting at and I have experienced the visual imagery in the mind's eye and can relate on that certain feeling you associate with dreaming. When I close my eyes (not under the influence of hallocinogenic drugs), it's very easy to imagine faint images that are in exact sync to what I'm thinking/feeling. For example, I just closed my eyes, put some headphones in and listened to angry music. I started to imagine rolling down a rollercoaster smashing up a series of wooden fences as it went down a series of different slopes. And then suddenly the tracks of the rollercoaster changed, in perfect animation, to lines of a musical page and the wooden fences turned into musical notes. The ink and dots making up the notes were being printed on the page by an invisible machine at an amazing pace before suddenly it changed from third person watching this sequence into first person. This time I was in a steamroller crushing ant colonies. I felt white noise, this static, as part of this conscious sample of dreaming. I felt as if the white noise was coming from the ants and so I had to destroy them all to stop it. This is remarkably technical, at least in my opinion, for just closing my eyes and listening to some music whilst being sleepy. And so your saying mescaline
in low doses has this effect, except it feels like your not imagining it and it's actually there? That what I just imagined is a soft fluffy pillow and mescaline trips are like a hard concrete block in comparison?
Well it ultimately sounds like I need to try mescaline. I bought two cacti from a nursery that somewhat resemble San Pedro but I sincerely doubt they are. One has the spines that just made me want to get it and the other is fat and it's creases or whatever you call them are not as distinguished as the San Pedro pictures I've seen. It looks exactly like this;
Unfortunately, Peyote is strictly illegal in my country which is a real shame. I will start reading Peyote experiences from Erowid. It's a good website.
Thanks for taking out the time to describe mescaline trips, because it really is hard to translate an experience influenced by a drug and translate it into any language. There's something so eloquent about the imagination and drug trips that you can't quite put into words. I guess that's the whole beauty of it. If you feel like it, maybe you could pm me some particular experiences you've had concerning mescaline or DMT and lucid dreaming.
This post was edited by pigletopeth on Dec 18 2011 01:55pm