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Nov 17 2011 09:16pm
Quote (TheInferno @ 16 Nov 2011 12:56)
Today i was sitting at work thinking to myself, if a brain transfusion were possible, taking one healthy brain and replacing it with someones damaged brain. Lets say for arguments sake technology catches up and this procedure is possible.
Since the brain is the core organ in human beings, would replacing the brain change the persons personality/who they are? Would they be able to remember anything from their life? Or would the thoughts and memories stored in the new brain become that new person?

I thought of no better place than this forum to ask you guys, let me know what you think.



If it were possible. Yeah. You would be you but in another body.

But this is pure speculation.

Quote (bentherdonethat @ 17 Nov 2011 04:04)
Not to mention how incredibly complex it would be to separate the brain from the spinal cord and then reattach it perfectly? Sounds completely impossible.

Rather than refitting a biological body, our best bet would be trying to find some way to digitally "clone" our memories, minds, personalities, etc and then put it into an android.


Yeah but you still wouldnt be you since it's a clone. You can't be at 2 places at once.



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Nov 17 2011 09:25pm
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If it were possible. Yeah. You would be you but in another body.

But this is pure speculation.



Yeah but you still wouldnt be you since it's a clone. You can't be at 2 places at once.


it would still be you but not the original you. if you transferred all your memories into another body you would be transferring everything that makes you you.
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Nov 18 2011 10:38am
Some people think of consciousness more as the scanning motion of depolarizing neurons through the brain, and not a singular point or singularity.

If someone were to have their brain 'placed in another head' with the same structure and chemistry (assuming it is possible and there are no rejection or genetic incompatibility risks), I think their brain would first be required to adjust to the different sensory and motor conditions. If that happens, then they would have the same memories as the original owner of the brain.

I'd assume the original owner's consciousness would still be in control, but since memories are the only way of being aware of our own consciousness, we would never know if it changed ownership or not (or even if their is an 'ownership' of consciousness) for sure because a new owner would have exactly the same memories.
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Nov 18 2011 11:32am
Quote (Krypto @ Nov 17 2011 10:16pm)
Yeah but you still wouldnt be you since it's a clone. You can't be at 2 places at once.

I agree. You would be you, but the clone would also be you. So while you would still experience your death, another version of you would continue existing. Assuming the memories and personality both transfer over to the android perfectly, you could have a seamless transition from one form to the next. But just imagine how horrifying this could be! If part of the memory/personality extraction process kills the biological self, then in a way you are dead, but with the android self "you" will keep on living. If the android tech is advanced enough (think of the androids from Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep) anyone who was unaware that you were having the procedure done probably wouldn't even be able to tell that anything had changed.
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Nov 18 2011 11:52am
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Nov 18 2011 12:32pm)
I agree. You would be you, but the clone would also be you. So while you would still experience your death, another version of you would continue existing. Assuming the memories and personality both transfer over to the android perfectly, you could have a seamless transition from one form to the next. But just imagine how horrifying this could be! If part of the memory/personality extraction process kills the biological self, then in a way you are dead, but with the android self "you" will keep on living. If the android tech is advanced enough (think of the androids from Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep) anyone who was unaware that you were having the procedure done probably wouldn't even be able to tell that anything had changed.


i think if it was more like transferring than copy and paste it wouldn't be weird. being a copy on any level would screw with your mind lol.
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Nov 18 2011 12:47pm
Quote (Krypto @ Nov 17 2011 09:16pm)
If it were possible. Yeah. You would be you but in another body.

But this is pure speculation.



Yeah but you still wouldnt be you since it's a clone. You can't be at 2 places at once.


Hmm interesting

Sitting here imagining what it would be like to have a perfect clone of me, and it brings to mind the fact that the brain is an interpretive machine as well as a creative machine.

What I mean is, if you had a clone of yourself (perfectly done), and you were put in two locations, would you experience both perspectives or just one?

Your clone in location A would be receiving sensory input from location A, and you in location B would be receiving input from location B, so your clone would begin to be different from you as soon as you were not in the exact same location at the exact same time.

Man that's some weird shit right there. I can't imagine the possibility that you'd experience simultaneously both perspectives...

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Nov 18 2011 01:26pm
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i think if it was more like transferring than copy and paste it wouldn't be weird. being a copy on any level would screw with your mind lol.

It wouldn't screw with your mind unless you knew you were the copy, though. Have you ever seen Multiplicity, with Michael Keaton? It's a sort of old (but funny) movie about cloning yourself so you can help out around the house and get stuff done at work and take care of your family etc and juggle many responsibilities at the same time.

Anyway, the only reason I brought that movie up is because the first clone wakes up and he says to the doctor something like "Well that wasn't so bad. So, when do I get to see the copy?" Then the original walks into the room, and says something like "Whoa, that is so cool."
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Nov 18 2011 01:45pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Nov 18 2011 02:26pm)
It wouldn't screw with your mind unless you knew you were the copy, though. Have you ever seen Multiplicity, with Michael Keaton? It's a sort of old (but funny) movie about cloning yourself so you can help out around the house and get stuff done at work and take care of your family etc and juggle many responsibilities at the same time.

Anyway, the only reason I brought that movie up is because the first clone wakes up and he says to the doctor something like "Well that wasn't so bad. So, when do I get to see the copy?" Then the original walks into the room, and says something like "Whoa, that is so cool."


its too bad most of the population is so distrusting they wouldn't even trust a clone of themselves.
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Nov 19 2011 08:14am
when you get a new brain, the information is too much for your body to all take at once.
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