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Sep 21 2011 03:59am
Quote (easty20 @ Sep 21 2011 09:07am)
Not everyone has the same ideas and beliefs in science..


and @Krypto
For the big bang question; i know there is no answer. I was merely seeking other ideologies or religious views on it.

For the future question; yes every choice you make forge your future.. but what if every choice you make has already been written

For the human life question; i was talking about human life as a whole..

and lastly for the afterlife question; well, it depends on whether or not you believe in it i guess.


Most of your questions are matters of belief. The model of Big-Bang-out-of-nothing has been questioned, and a cyclical (mem)brane world theory has been presented, and probably many more. They must however fit with the observations we have nowadays, such as cosmic background radiation and Olber's paradox. What caused everything in the first place is a matter of belief.

For determined future vs indeterminate: coincidence and determined future are tricky. What happens was bound to happen, even if via coincidence. The fact it was bound to happen as it did, is coincidence itself too. Here we go; infinite regression. You can interpret it as you want. This question is purely philosophical (and semantics and whatever). The observed world's future however cannot be exactly determined at least from human perspective and understanding of mathematics (Rolle mention the statistical nature of quantum mechanics).

Human life: matter of belief.

Afterlife: you answered it yourself.

This post was edited by Holod on Sep 21 2011 04:00am
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Most of your questions are matters of belief. The model of Big-Bang-out-of-nothing has been questioned, and a cyclical (mem)brane world theory has been presented, and probably many more. They must however fit with the observations we have nowadays, such as cosmic background radiation and Olber's paradox. What caused everything in the first place is a matter of belief.

For determined future vs indeterminate: coincidence and determined future are tricky. What happens was bound to happen, even if via coincidence. The fact it was bound to happen as it did, is coincidence itself too. Here we go; infinite regression. You can interpret it as you want. This question is purely philosophical (and semantics and whatever). The observed world's future however cannot be exactly determined at least from human perspective and understanding of mathematics (Rolle mention the statistical nature of quantum mechanics).
Human life: matter of belief.

Afterlife: you answered it yourself.


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Sep 21 2011 09:06am
Its odd how people can believe in ghosts etc but they don't believe in the living God who is not a ghost, but a living being.
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Sep 21 2011 09:41am
Quote (easty20 @ Sep 20 2011 05:30am)
Firstly.. the big bang..what created it, this ever expanding universe?.. an atom? god? .. what created them?

the future.. is it pre determined? are we already walking down a path decided? what could orchestrate every little thing, every little ripple effect in this ever expanding universe from the start of time to the unfinishing end of time..

what is the purpose of human life? are we here just to consume resources?

life after death.. whats this mean for ghosts/spirits/demons, whatever.. how does one become a spirit and stay to this world?



what ideologies are there about these things?.. what religions share their light?.. what ideas do you have about these?
what other ideas do you have, that boggle your mind..


(obviously there isnt going to be hard answers on these, but im just throwing this out there for some debate, and other ideas on the matter)


Big Bang : I think that from a perspective the universe may only be a single point. From any place in space that I can think of, it's possible to see stars, it means that there is photons passing by.

Future : I think that the future is determined mainly via your past and how it drive your actions, and via the result of choices that are not linked to your past :P

Purpose : The way to experience it itself ( not meaning that acting like a selfish ass will make you experience a better life). Fun.

Life after death : I'm not Dead!!
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Quote (Krypto @ Sep 20 2011 01:36pm)
Firstly.. the big bang..what created it, this ever expanding universe?.. an atom? god? .. what created them?

A: We can't know for sure... or all the religious/science debate would have ended.

the future.. is it pre determined? are we already walking down a path decided? what could orchestrate every little thing, every little ripple effect in this ever expanding universe from the start of time to the unfinishing end of time..

A: No. Every choice you make forge your future.

what is the purpose of human life? are we here just to consume resources?

A: None. Birth. Education. Work. Death.

life after death.. whats this mean for ghosts/spirits/demons, whatever.. how does one become a spirit and stay to this world?

A: There's no such thing as these. As there's no such thing as ''afterlife''.


what ideologies are there about these things?.. what religions share their light?.. what ideas do you have about these?
what other ideas do you have, that boggle your mind..

A: Meh. Ignorance is bliss.

(obviously there isnt going to be hard answers on these, but im just throwing this out there for some debate, and other ideas on the matter)


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Sep 21 2011 11:37pm
Quote (easty20 @ Sep 20 2011 01:30am)
Firstly.. the big bang..what created it, this ever expanding universe?.. an atom? god? .. what created them?

the future.. is it pre determined? are we already walking down a path decided? what could orchestrate every little thing, every little ripple effect in this ever expanding universe from the start of time to the unfinishing end of time..

what is the purpose of human life? are we here just to consume resources?

life after death.. whats this mean for ghosts/spirits/demons, whatever.. how does one become a spirit and stay to this world?



what ideologies are there about these things?.. what religions share their light?.. what ideas do you have about these?
what other ideas do you have, that boggle your mind..


(obviously there isnt going to be hard answers on these, but im just throwing this out there for some debate, and other ideas on the matter)




The googolth year equation explains the big bang...the universe is on a never ending cycle of expansion and contraction. Once the mass of the universe is spread out far enough, and entropy has broken everything down to what they started as, the most powerfull force in the universe is gravity. The expansion slows, stops, then reverses. Gravity crushes everything back down to the singularity that contains everything and yet nothing, and explodes outwards again. This might be the first universe or the millionth...there is no way to tell.

The future cannot be predetermined by the simple fact that everything where a choice or chance is involved already exists. If i chose to type an A here instead of a B, the universe splits and continuously exists. Therefore, prescience cannot exist due to the simple fact that everything that could be, already is. Time is relative to the situation you are viewing it from. Gravity in mass quantities slows time. Speed slows time. Since we cannot take time and put it in a test tube to experiment upon, we do not know. Time and space are interconnected in ways that we are just starting to realize, but I believe that there is no beginning or end to time. I think it changes form in the same way that you can heat or freeze water and turn it into ice or steam, but molecullarly it is the same. Or if you burn a piece of wood...it turns to ash, but still exists in the same mass as smoke and particles.

The purpose of human life was to mine gold for the Annunnaki over 80,000 years ago. The Sumerians (the first recorded civilization mind you) have thousands of tablets in cuniform that state human history. We were neandertals and ancient aliens needed gold for some reason lost in time. We were to stupid and strong to control, so they genetically modified the cave men with their own DNA, and created humanity. IN THIER OWN IMAGE. We rebelled and drove off our creators, and proceeded to colonize the planet as our own, with a higher understanding of everything. We came from semi-intelligent animals who never evolved into us...hence no missing link. We were genetically created in test tubes. Now our purpose is our own. Anything from trying to annihilate a certain species of us to exploring space and time. Think about it though... why is gold so valuable to us? You cant eat it, its to soft to make anything usefull with. But in the modern age we realize that gold is the best conductor of electricity than any other metal known on earth, and it doesnt expand or contract, making it invaluable in space travel.

Ghosts spirits and demons are not what you might think...they are not supernatural at all, but a byproduct of our expanding multiverse.
Say for every choice as i explained above, a parallel reality is created. Now say the choice is removed, yet a parallel universe is created anyways, such as a brutal murder.
That person did not want to die, yet the choice was taken from them, and a parallel reality is created with a being that doesnt belong. The act of the murder creates a schism, making a not parallel, but inner universe that cannot interact in the same way as the reality that we percieve, yet still exists. Everything has a scientific explanation...there is no such thing as supernatural or magic. Superstition is a product of our prehistoric bi-cameral mind.

Religion is a tool that has been used over the history of human kind to enslave the weak minded into willingly give up thier precious lives because of a lie that they will still exist, when in fact once consciousness ceases to exist...there is nothing. It is a tool to enslave the minds of men into guilting them into supporting non producers, taking something of value from producers in the guise of your thoughts make you evil, so you must make reparations. Its scary when you get the big picture and realize that there is no afterlife, but its incredibly liberating. Life, more precisely conscious life is the most precious thing in the universe, yet here on Earth we have death cults where people litterally blow themselves and others up in a belief in nothing; destroying life for nothing than the mere fact that they dont like what you say or do.

Honestly ideas that boggle my mind are the fact that we have been lead by the nose throughout history to fight and die for nothing more than a dream....but what the fuck ever


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Sep 22 2011 12:15am
Quote (Torm1 @ Sep 22 2011 02:06am)
Its odd how people can believe in ghosts etc but they don't believe in the living God who is not a ghost, but a living being.


what created god?
the idea with ghosts is spiritual energy left on this earth by a human being..

and although i'll believe it when i see it. i still believe that anyday over 'god'.


e/ @heretic_anthem about your idea of aliens controlling a slave-purpose creation of humans.. how could the highly advanced aliens be defeated by simple minded humans?

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Sep 22 2011 12:50am
Quote (easty20 @ Sep 21 2011 10:15pm)
what created god?
the idea with ghosts is spiritual energy left on this earth by a human being..

and although i'll believe it when i see it. i still believe that anyday over 'god'.


e/ @heretic_anthem about your idea of aliens controlling a slave-purpose creation of humans.. how could the highly advanced aliens be defeated by simple minded humans?


Ha

buddy millions can overwhelm a handfull regardless of the technology
and simple minded humans no more...are you calling us simple?
Einstien?
Newton?
Edison?
Hawking?
They are the same genetically as what was created
Come at me sum more...love this shit ^^

/e love how u only got ancient aliens out of all of that
do you believe in a god that interacts with humanity, yet scoff at the thought of aliens visiting us in the past?
TELL ME HOW YOUR PRIMITIVE HUMANS CALCULATED PIE TO THE HUNDRED THOUSANDTH DECIMAL?

This post was edited by Heretic_Anthem on Sep 22 2011 12:51am
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Sep 22 2011 12:59am
Quote (Heretic_Anthem @ Sep 22 2011 05:50pm)
Ha

buddy millions can overwhelm a handfull regardless of the technology
and simple minded humans no more...are you calling us simple?
Einstien?
Newton?
Edison?
Hawking?
They are the same genetically as what was created
Come at me sum more...love this shit ^^

/e love how u only got ancient aliens out of all of that
do you believe in a god that interacts with humanity, yet scoff at the thought of aliens visiting us in the past?
TELL ME HOW YOUR PRIMITIVE HUMANS CALCULATED PIE TO THE HUNDRED THOUSANDTH DECIMAL?


are you saying we are still being controlled by aliens?> hawking is still alive.
im pretty sure you said 'the oldest civilisation ever recorded' .. were they really calculating pie to the hundred thousandth decimal back then?
and millions? how do you know they made millions and that there were only a few of them?

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Sep 22 2011 01:20am
Quote (easty20 @ Sep 21 2011 10:59pm)
are you saying we are still being controlled by aliens?> hawking is still alive.
im pretty sure you said 'the oldest civilisation ever recorded' .. were they really calculating pie to the hundred thousandth decimal back then?
and millions? how do you know they made millions and that there were only a few of them?

/endslam


lold hard
who cares if hawking is still alive...we are genetically identical to our ancestors
AND YES IDIOT LOOK AT THE PYRAMIDS
THEY ARE CALCULATED TO PIE TO THE HUNDRED THOUSANDTH DECIMAL
ALL BIG AND SHINING IN THE DESERT FOR U
and i know there was a handfull for the simple fact of weight to propulsion in a spacecraft
you cannot take your whole civilization to another planet, you would send your best and brightest
and millions is a guess, but an educated one
WE ARE GOING FOR 7 BILLION PEOPLE LATER NEXT YEAR
why ask when you cant comprehend?
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