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Jun 11 2011 09:03am

Quote (CTS77 @ Jun 11 2011 10:01am)

Your first part I don't believe is correct. If you are truly religious then you have faith that nothing like that will happen.

gl finding that in the western religions.

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Jun 11 2011 09:33am

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the idea that all human life is precious no matter what is nothing more than morality from religious beliefs passed down. negative religious influence is seen in all fields of science but it hits hard when it comes to the human body. abortions...human testing...organ transplants...gene manipulation...cloning...all see large amounts of religious attention. religious morality is always going to be a hindrance for the medical field.

This is Where you and I differ. If you Want to concider life as being less than precious, that's sad. If that is so why not just Farm Humans for Organs like some twisted Matrix like factory.

Your entire statement here is a baseless jumble of confused thoughts.

Lets hit hem one by one.

"Negative Religious influence is seen in all fields of Science" - Oh, really? ALL fields? Lets for arguments sake say there are 100 Fields of Science (there are many many more of course) - Can you name 5 that are negativly influenced by Religion? No?, how bout 4......3?.....2?...... OK then how about just one. And please show and actual example of this...

"It hits hard when is comes to the Human Body":

Abortion - Last time I checked Abortion was legal in most places on Earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law. Yes Religions Oppose Abortion because they believe life is precious gift. But even many who believe Abortion is ok, typically agree there should be constraint. Do a little research on Third Trimester abortion, and Partial birth Abortion. Nothing like Partialy delivering an 8 1/2 month old baby and sucking its brain out of its skull to make you want to give a big thumbs up for Abortion at will huh?

Human Testing - can you be a little less vauge on this one??? Do you mean, Nazi like human testing or just an eye exam?

Organ Transplant - Out of the hundreds of Religions, is there one or two that oppose this? I can't even concider that to be close to representing Relegion by any stretch, and once again there is No-where in the world that blocks Organ Transplanting.

Gene Manipulation - Again, can you be a little less Specific? Unless you are refering to the concept of Manipulating Genes to Engineer a baby, I am not aware of any Religious views hindering this area at all. any Examples?

Cloning - This is basicly the same as Gene Manipulation. It comes down to Engineering a Baby. We have Cloned Food for Decades, but yes when the technology came forth to Clone Animals, it was recognized as a step toward Human cloning and gets opposition from Many groups beyond Religious Beliefs. At best a Clone would be a Twin, so what exactly is the gain vs the risks?

"Religious morality is always going to be a hindrance for the medical field" - OK, Here one easy example of this as a false statement. Effective Surgical Techniques Without Blood Transfusions This was all but developed because of One Religious Groups opposition to Blood Transfusions. And I dare say that religious view "Helped Foster" that development of that Technology. Thanks to this procedure many other lives have been saved beyond just those who just oppossed Transfussions on Religious grounds. Additionaly this procedure activly prevent the spread of disease and accidental blood typing amongst other things.

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Jun 11 2011 10:07am

Quote (Toothfariy @ Jun 10 2011 10:13pm)

Science is villified by some of the more extreme religous people; especially when it walks into their territory (evolution). To me, if i was religous i would see science as threat to my beliefs because hey, they could discover somthing that would completely shatter my current beliefs. So the only escape from that is to villify science and pretend that it doesnt do anything.

I dont think it hinders us all that much as a people since almost all genius inventions or scientific improvements have been made on secular grounds. Edison didnt invent the lightbulb in the name of god, or do so because he though it would help him get into heaven.

Though i see the point; without religoin, who knows how far we could advance. I would personally like to see religon diminish significantly; or at least the very extreme religous. I feel that we would be a lot better off if that happened.

i wouldnt nessessarily say that. I see more people who attribute medical success to divine influence, which i think is of course stupid.

Evolution is a VERY new concept.

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Jun 11 2011 06:19pm

Quote (FullArcFG @ Jun 11 2011 10:33am)

This is Where you and I differ. If you Want to concider life as being less than precious, that's sad. If that is so why not just Farm Humans for Organs like some twisted Matrix like factory.

Your entire statement here is a baseless jumble of confused thoughts.

Lets hit hem one by one.

"Negative Religious influence is seen in all fields of Science" - Oh, really? ALL fields? Lets for arguments sake say there are 100 Fields of Science (there are many many more of course) - Can you name 5 that are negativly influenced by Religion? No?, how bout 4......3?.....2?...... OK then how about just one. And please show and actual example of this...

"It hits hard when is comes to the Human Body":

Abortion - Last time I checked Abortion was legal in most places on Earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion%5Flaw. Yes Religions Oppose Abortion because they believe life is precious gift. But even many who believe Abortion is ok, typically agree there should be constraint. Do a little research on Third Trimester abortion, and Partial birth Abortion. Nothing like Partialy delivering an 8 1/2 month old baby and sucking its brain out of its skull to make you want to give a big thumbs up for Abortion at will huh? remember the whole obamacare delay? a huge part of that was the religious influenced people that say no to all abortion not just the ridiculous ones. while i agree abortions need hefty guidelines lots of the religious community want it gone altogether and its getting closer and closer by the day

Human Testing - can you be a little less vauge on this one??? Do you mean, Nazi like human testing or just an eye exam? human+experiment not human+regular procedure.

Organ Transplant - Out of the hundreds of Religions, is there one or two that oppose this? I can't even concider that to be close to representing Relegion by any stretch, and once again there is No-where in the world that blocks Organ Transplanting. disregarding based on being a minority...good argument

Gene Manipulation - Again, can you be a little less Specific? Unless you are refering to the concept of Manipulating Genes to Engineer a baby, I am not aware of any Religious views hindering this area at all. any Examples? think of this as a branch of the evolution vs creation argument.

Cloning - This is basicly the same as Gene Manipulation. It comes down to Engineering a Baby. We have Cloned Food for Decades, but yes when the technology came forth to Clone Animals, it was recognized as a step toward Human cloning and gets opposition from Many groups beyond Religious Beliefs. At best a Clone would be a Twin, so what exactly is the gain vs the risks?evolution vs creation again

"Religious morality is always going to be a hindrance for the medical field" - OK, Here one easy example of this as a false statement. Effective Surgical Techniques Without Blood Transfusions This was all but developed because of One Religious Groups opposition to Blood Transfusions. And I dare say that religious view "Helped Foster" that development of that Technology. Thanks to this procedure many other lives have been saved beyond just those who just oppossed Transfussions on Religious grounds. Additionaly this procedure activly prevent the spread of disease and accidental blood typing amongst other things.

people making doctors stop to create a new religion friendly way to perform surgery...doesn't sound like a hindrance at all. the unknown usefulness it has brought doesn't change the fact the medical field had to find out a brand new way to perform surgery just because of religion.

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Jun 11 2011 11:33pm

Quote (CTS77 @ 11 Jun 2011 09:01)

Your first part I don't believe is correct. If you are truly religious then you have faith that nothing like that will happen.

from my expirence, i've only seen the more extreme believers who will go out and hate on science.

For example; i was in my high school bio class, and we discussed evolution. One girl gets up, slams her text book on the ground, and says with great fervor "this is stupid, why are we learning this? We all know that God made us in his image in 7 days." And then she proceeded to stomp off. Another girl in my english class said something to the effect of athiests being "stupid science lovers who have no soul or spine".

Any discussion i have with a moderate to extreme religous person, they will almost always try to show me how the scientific method cannot be trusted. They will argue that static knowledge is the only knowledge and therefore science is an absurd thing. The big part of this is evolution. When we can look at what the bible says, and what carbon and raedon dating tell us about the age of fossils; and when we can observe a plethora of evidence based on logical conjecture of the space around us; its easy to see how quickly the religous ideals about the origin of life and the universe can be shattered.

If you must rely on faith in one's own ignorance to be able to continue that lifestyle and belief; doesnt any one see a problem in that? I believe that is the definition of closed minded and unintelligent. This is why i cannot be religous; science has already debunked a lot of the redicilous claims of the bible.

Quote (Torm1 @ 11 Jun 2011 10:07)

Evolution is a VERY new concept.

Relative to what? Christianity? Religon in general? Even so, how is that relevant to this argument?

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On your second comment I will go as far to say that NONE of the scientific discoveries were made in the name of God, or to help someone get into Heaven. Why would they be? Scientific Development has nothing to do with any Religious following. This shows a complete lack of knowledge of even the simplest concepts of religion.

I said almost all scientific advancements because im guessing someone will go on google and find some kind of discovery to be misconstrued to being a religous discovery. And to be fair; there are some discoveries done with religon as the causation; but not the reason. For example; architecture. I think of ziggurats, the pyramids, and even more modern religous buildings. Though they dont go saying "i designed this archway in the name of god. But it was because of religon we were able to learn this about architecture. But thats neither here nor there. The overwhelming majority of discoveries; if not all, were made on secular grounds.

But we cant say that scientific development has nothing to do with religon because we are all culturally infulenced in some way by religon. Every culture for all of recorded history has been. Again, its not to say that religon is the fundamental cause for scientific discovery; but it has be an influence. I mean hell; we would not have music right now if it wasnt for religon. If you dont believe that, look up the history of music or take a music history class; you'll see what im talking about.

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Jun 12 2011 12:01am

Remember what happened with the tower of Babel?

Well, we're at that point again.