Everything being created by an explosion is pretty logical.

There is real observable, evidence of the Big Bang (notably the CMBR). That one piece of evidence is more than any other religion has for their explanations for how the universe came to be.

But what was around before the big bang. Your science proves that matter cannot be created or destroyed. It would take something supernatural or an omnipotent being who isn't bound by the laws of this world to create something from nothing.

Whatever went into the big bang.

Matter goes in, matter goes out. Can't explain that.

So this mysterious "matter" is just as visible as God. Seems legit.

Saying that (the bolded part) shows that you're arguing against something that you don't understand. The rest of that post is an argument from ignorance, i.e. "We don't know what caused it, therefore God caused it," and that's a fallacious argument.

Not quite sure what part I don't understand. Your big bang cannot appear out of nothing. You claim I am ignorant, but what scientific facts do you have to back you up? Your theory "We don't know what caused it, but we don't want to believe that there could be a God so I'll state my theories as facts and it will be true". I can't say that the big bang never happened since I wasn't there, neither can I prove that what I believe is true. That is why it is called Faith. God gave everyone free will. If he proved himself to everyone it would just be too easy and we would be no different from the angels.

The Big Bang Theory doesn't say anything about it coming from nothing, so that's what you're not understanding.

Big Bang theory as simply as I can make it: Our universe started off as a singularity (whether there was something that collapsed into this singularity via a Big Crunch or whether that singularity "always was" could not have affected what happened after the Bang). Time started at the moment of the Bang, so in the strictest sense there is no "before" the Big Bang. The universe expanded to its current state, is continuing to expand, and will always continue to expand.

Now, believing that the Big Bang theory is what really happened is not me stating it is a fact, because that shows a fundamental lack of knowledge to what we call Facts and Theories in science (*see footnote*). Facts are what we can physically observe in this universe, while theories are arguments that aim to explain all of the facts. Theories can change in the presence of new facts, but facts do not change. Because the facts all support the Big Bang theory, we can state with confidence that the Big Bang happened. This is contrary to "God did it," because that theory is not supported by any facts. This is why placing trust in scientific theories is not called Faith.

But hey, don't assume I simply "don't want" to believe in God. I gave Christianity an honest shot (went to church and Bible studies weekly, prayed, and read my Bible for about 4-5 years). When it all came down to it, I could find no rational justification for why I believed in God. So I ask you -- do you have a rational justification for your belief? Or is that just where your Faith kicks in, allowing you to believe in something for which you have no evidence whatsoever?



*Note that this is one line of argument that Creationists try to use against Evolution. They state that it's "Just a theory" in the hopes that it will convince people that even though EVERY piece of factual evidence supports evolution, that evolution might somehow be false. Clearly, this type of argument is laughably pathetic.

Torm1 is crazy

christianity is too shady and contains far too many errors for me to give it a chance, but i suppose those errors all somehow make sense to a believer. or maybe its not so much that it makes sense to them, its just they must accept it because God must not be questioned. I just dont see the evidence of a supernatural being, I don't see supernatural works, i don't understand why people have to make god real to them.

the only reason why i dislike christianity is that it misleads. There is no evidence that anything of supernatural nature exists. I would like to see evidence that God exists, other than a book written by mere men.

I will not accept something that isn't real, and really, theres nothing to really stand out and say that christianity is real.

That in a nutshell, is why christianity is not cool in my book. It just doesn't seem real to me, and i don't think it ever will.

I think its a pretty standard argument that will probably get me to nowhere, but i feel i must post anyways