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Mar 21 2011 08:39pm
Quote (Aisu_aS @ Mar 21 2011 05:25pm)
The best comparison I can think of is water. It exists as gas, solid, and liquid. Think of energy as water overall and maybe matter as one of the three phases.


This explanation makes a bit of sense. But what are the other forms of energy? Waves?
Only in high school, so bear with me


Quote (general_patton @ Mar 21 2011 05:55pm)
Nukes work by making subatomic particles go near the speed of light. Once that happens, they turn into energy.


I can see how matter HAS energy, but I don't see how matter IS energy.
For example an object HAS kinetic energy, but how does it turn INTO energy? Or in the previous analogy, how is matter a state of energy?

Edit: Is this all a matter of perception? Or are there calculations etc. behind this?


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None of my teachers could explain this. Does anyone want to enlighten me?

I'm interested in both the theory behind it, real life applications, and ways you think it can be done in the future. Thanks


if you think about charges on atoms: a neutron and a proton are basically made of the same stuff. theyre made of 3 quarks so theyre mass should be nearly identical. however its observed that a neutron is slightly heavier than a proton. thats because the work required to suspend an electric field across the particle is observed as a 'loss of mass' from the particle. basically some of the mass from the particle is converted into energy that is used to create the electric field. because this mass is 'lost' in the proton, the mass of the neutron is heavier

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Quote (PerfectFlame @ Mar 21 2011 09:39pm)
This explanation makes a bit of sense. But what are the other forms of energy? Waves?
Only in high school, so bear with me




I can see how matter HAS energy, but I don't see how matter IS energy.
For example an object HAS kinetic energy, but how does it turn INTO energy? Or in the previous analogy, how is matter a state of energy?

Edit: Is this all a matter of perception? Or are there calculations etc. behind this?


it's hard to see how matter IS energy, as we don't readily see most energy, other than light, and when we do it behaves nothing like physical objects.

also you say "an object HAS kinetic energy, but how does it turn INTO energy". i think that's kind of a misinterpretation because an object's mass doesn't really turn into kinetic energy, the energy is transferred as the object is accelerating, from whatever source acted on it.

and no this isnt a matter of perception lol. energy is not some sort of mystical supernatural magic. yeah you can calculate the energy equivalent of an object. its called E=mc² ^_^

Quote (general_patton @ Mar 21 2011 08:55pm)
Nukes work by making subatomic particles go near the speed of light. Once that happens, they turn into energy.


well it's not the fact that theyre moving so fast that causes the explosive energy...the speed they are moving allows them to split atoms. the energy released from splitting an atom is what causes such a violent explosion

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Quote (PerfectFlame @ Mar 21 2011 06:39pm)
This explanation makes a bit of sense. But what are the other forms of energy? Waves?
Only in high school, so bear with me




I can see how matter HAS energy, but I don't see how matter IS energy.
For example an object HAS kinetic energy, but how does it turn INTO energy? Or in the previous analogy, how is matter a state of energy?

Edit: Is this all a matter of perception? Or are there calculations etc. behind this?


e=mc^2

mind=blown.


Nuclear fission is proof of this. By decomposing uranium into it products, the overall mass changes (this voids the law of conservation of mass). The tiny (very minute) amount of mass lost is where the energy of the reaction came from.

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Mar 21 2011 10:11pm
e=mc^2

E=energy

M=mass

C= the speed of light

its hard to wrap your mind around because we dont KNOW exactly how it works. Einstein worked out the equation to figure how much energy is present in an object and its simple math to find out what kind of mass could be made with so much energy.

but if we really understood how it worked then we would be well on our way to not only converting mass into energy (this would mean any mass) as well as converting energy into matter.

http://www.btinternet.com/~j.doyle/SR/Emc2/Basics.htm

This post was edited by lone500 on Mar 21 2011 10:12pm
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my advice is to steer clear of lone500
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why is that? you jelly?
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A much more simplistic example would be, a log converted into fire, by burning the log you are creating radiant energy. Think as the element you are converting, (either mass to energy or vise-versa) as "fuel"

The how this happens its not within our grasp yet.

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A much more simplistic example would be, a log converted into fire, by burning the log you are creating radiant energy. Think as the element you are converting, (either mass to energy or vise-versa) as "fuel"


although the vast majority of the log will remain matter in the form of molecules in gas form, this is a pretty good and simple analogy
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Mar 22 2011 01:43am
We don't know perfectly how matter IS energy yet, you won't find a simple explanation because it isn't exactly fully understood. You will probably have to wait for string theory to finish.

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