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Oct 21 2010 11:08am
Quote (Phisherman @ 21 Oct 2010 10:29)
There are actually a lot of people that are helped immensely from Adderal. Adderal isn't a medicine you take to "get better" since most people who take it have ADD/ADHD or a related learning disability. Those are not curable conditions.


Not true. Did you know that these conditions never existed before? Not only is it a psychological thing, believe it or not, the childs diet strongly affects his behavior. There is no case that there isnt a nutritional problem which is likely the initial cause.

I do not see a single use for this medecine other than to sell it and make money by the pharmacutical industry.

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That's probably true, but to say that Adderal doesn't help anybody is simply retarded.


And thats also not true. Theres a lady who was diagnosed with aspergers disease, but she has been actually able to almost completely reverse it using her diet. You would not believe how the body responds when you give it the right fuel. Funny thing, she went on to get her Ph.D in psychology, and shes technically autistic.
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Oct 21 2010 03:02pm
Quote (Phisherman @ Oct 21 2010 02:04am)
lol it's not meth dude.  Meth is way more intense.


Ya i know they are not actually meth, but they're closely related to it. In any case ritalin and adderall are both addictive and can be easily abused. I don't think we should be giving fairly potent drugs to elementary school kids because they'd rather be playing than studying at 10 years old.
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Quote (Toothfariy @ Oct 21 2010 12:08pm)
Not true. Did you know that these conditions never existed before? Not only is it a psychological thing, believe it or not, the childs diet strongly affects his behavior. There is no case that there isnt a nutritional problem which is likely the initial cause.

I do not see a single use for this medecine other than to sell it and make money by the pharmacutical industry.



And thats also not true. Theres a lady who was diagnosed with aspergers disease, but she has been actually able to almost completely reverse it using her diet. You would not believe how the body responds when you give it the right fuel. Funny thing, she went on to get her Ph.D in psychology, and shes technically autistic.


So full of fail. I have a sister with a learning disability and ADD and she gets straight A's because of her adderal. She also works very hard but it would not be possible without adderal.

ADD is not a made up illness lol......

:bonk:

This post was edited by Phisherman on Oct 21 2010 04:04pm
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Oct 21 2010 04:05pm
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So full of fail. I have a sister with a learning disability and ADD and she gets straight A's because of her adderal. She also works very hard but it would not be possible without adderal.

ADD is not a made up illness lol......

:bonk:


but its certainly a relatively new illness
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it fucking works
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Oct 21 2010 04:07pm
Quote (VereorNusquam @ Oct 21 2010 05:05pm)
but its certainly a relatively new illness


No, it has always existed...

Quote (Kamikizzle @ Oct 21 2010 05:05pm)
it fucking works


Amen, brother.

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Oct 21 2010 04:18pm
Quote (Phisherman @ 21 Oct 2010 16:03)
So full of fail. I have a sister with a learning disability and ADD and she gets straight A's because of her adderal. She also works very hard but it would not be possible without adderal.


Don't even try to assert a personal claim like that. There are so many factors that are contributing to that you simply cannot attribute it to a singlar thing. Also even if it is helping her, its still not treating the problem.

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ADD is not a made up illness lol......



No its not, but it is one that is not only overly diagnosed, but also treated completely the wrong way. You would be shocked how much your diet can effect your brain function. I dont think i can advocate enough how much a strong diet and the right foods can effect a person.

Adderal may temporarly help and cover up some of the symptoms, but it in no way comes close to addressing the underlying cause of the problem in the first place, which is the goal of most people to resolve. This is a classic example of how the conventional medical community has a simple dogmatic approach to a complex problem.

And I also have a big problem with pathologizing psychological issues. This very easy leads to a self fullfilling prophecy and thus reaffirms the pathology.
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Quote (Toothfariy @ Oct 21 2010 05:18pm)
Don't even try to assert a personal claim like that. There are so many factors that are contributing to that you simply cannot attribute it to a singlar thing. Also even if it is helping her, its still not treating the problem.




No its not, but it is one that is not only overly diagnosed, but also treated completely the wrong way. You would be shocked how much your diet can effect your brain function. I dont think i can advocate enough how much a strong diet and the right foods can effect a person.

Adderal may temporarly help and cover up some of the symptoms, but it in no way comes close to addressing the underlying cause of the problem in the first place, which is the goal of most people to resolve. This is a classic example of how the conventional medical community has a simple dogmatic approach to a complex problem.

And I also have a big problem with pathologizing psychological issues. This very easy leads to a self fullfilling prophecy and thus reaffirms the pathology.


Oh ok, so everyone who has ADD is really just addicted to junk food. Thanks for the info, Dr. Dumbass.
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Oct 21 2010 04:25pm
Quote (VereorNusquam @ Oct 21 2010 05:05pm)
but its certainly a relatively new illness


Sort of like cancer! i guess that is made up too.
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Oct 21 2010 04:33pm
Quote (o2j @ Oct 21 2010 08:57am)
ive taken both in many different ways, liquid, pills, snorting.
they are drugs so there is no way in hell they are healthy for you but, they do have positive effects depending on your needs.

ritalin is great for mild add and if your looking to study or pay attention.

aderol the effect it had on me was awesome, it was a mild dose of morphine.


dude wtf? you realize you're essentially comparing meth and heroin right? two completely opposite drugs.
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