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Oct 1 2009 06:49pm
Quote (Topher_Laid @ Tue, Sep 29 2009, 05:25pm)
Oh and I forgot the #1 thing that is most important.. Just FYI, we , and all other large land animals will die out in about 750,000 years, based on Eaths inhabitability alone. This is because far before the Sun "dies" and turns into a Red Giant, it will heat up to the point that Earth will no longer be able to sustain "large land animals". Large being anything over abou 30 lbs. This is because as the sun ages, it releases more radiation and "heat". This increased radiation will eventually make Earth unlivable for creatures of our phyiscal stature. Life will continue to exist on Earth for Millions of years after the large land animals are gone, but we will not be able to be here without some sort of protection or way to deflect radiation.

Need I also remind you that to think we will still be around @ any time near either of these events is somewhat arrogant.. EVERY creature that has ever came to be on this Earth has died out. And although we have been gifted with amazing talents, it is still a stretch to think that we can defy nature and beat the circle of life and the way of the world.. Most estimates for the future of humans state that there is a 95% chance we will be extinct by the year 11,000. Again, both of my posts assume (somewhat foolishly) that another sort of pandemic, be it an asteroid or a plauge or another mass extinction doesn't completey remove us from any future we might possibly have.


survival of the fittest. some animals will die out, others will thrive. the changes of the sun wouldnt be immediate giving a chance of adaptions/mutations.
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Oct 1 2009 10:31pm
from what ive read, as the sun grows the outter fringes of the system will heat, and thus becoming the new habitable zone. mankind will probably be living in colonies on titan, europa, etc. this is of course, only temporary as the sun will eventually burn out and become a dwarf star. and then in which case warp drive is a neccesity to get out of this star system.

if there is one thing about the future i really want to know, it is if we could ever master artificial gravity. the only known method right now is centrifuge, which seems messy, and clunky, if you think about it. in all the sci-fi movies out there, every one of them simply by-passes the issue due to the level of difficulty, or just mentions a dubious theory that is impossible to realize. so, the future will be interesting. we just wont be around to see it.

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the earth will be toast.  but long before then (within 1B years) its growing heat would have already boiled away the oceans, scorched the land, and ejected the atmosphere into space.  even though we wont be around then, do you guys think space travelling technology will be ready in time?  and where exactly would mankind go?


If there won't be any other disasters and we won't get killed by a virus or doing it ourselves there is a hell of a lot of time left to develope technology! A hell of a lot!! Consider the progress we made in the last 100 years. The distance to the sun will change for all planets, also as sun gets bigger their speeds or orbits might change. This could make other planets that are further away form sun (not talking about the gas giants) more suitable for life. If we have enough technology we might be able not only to just travel there but somehow help an atmosphere to form (don't ask me how :D). However once our sun is gone, travelling to distant stars is not just a challenge of technology but also of time. It even takes light ages to travel to other stars. SO even if we could travel at light speed what I doubt we might be well dead before we arrive at another suitable star surrounded by suitable planets.
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Quote (wouldbe @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 04:31am)
from what ive read, as the sun grows the outter fringes of the system will heat, and thus becoming the new habitable zone. mankind will probably be living in colonies on titan, europa, etc. this is of course, only temporary as the sun will eventually burn out and become a dwarf star. and then in which case warp drive is a neccesity to get out of this star system.

if there is one thing about the future i really want to know, it is if we could ever master artificial gravity. the only known method right now is centrifuge, which seems messy, and clunky, if you think about it. in all the sci-fi movies out there, every one of them simply by-passes the issue due to the level of difficulty, or just mentions a dubious theory that is impossible to realize. so, the future will be interesting. we just wont be around to see it.


maybe we could create massive gravity by creating a black hole which we have already managed on earth. I think the name of the project was called CERN. This blackwhole but was extremely small. (they fired 2 substances at light speed against each other which created one).
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Oct 3 2009 10:49pm
Quote (ClanBK @ Sun, Sep 27 2009, 11:22pm)
Consider how far we've advanced in the last 100 years. Then consider that we'd have several millenniums (assuming no other factors in this equation) before having to worry about the Sun turning into a  red giant.


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Oct 3 2009 11:04pm
cool bro, i didnt know any one else could use wikipedia or watch the history channal
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Oct 5 2009 05:11pm
I find this quite funny considering if you believe the Earth is billions of years old the Earth would have been scorched and burned making life impossible. Oh I just love how science contradicts Evolution.

About the actual topic: hopefully we will be gone by then and I do not mean gone from this Earth.
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Quote (Deify7 @ Mon, Oct 5 2009, 04:11pm)
I find this quite funny considering if you believe the Earth is billions of years old the Earth would have been scorched and burned making life impossible. Oh I just love how science contradicts Evolution.

About the actual topic: hopefully we will be gone by then and I do not mean gone from this Earth.


how did you come to this conclusion?

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Oct 5 2009 06:38pm
Quote (juliusjuice @ Thu, Oct 1 2009, 06:39pm)
how do you figure? where exactly did all of the life that exists now come from if every species died out? the correct answer is most died out, the rest evolved and kept reproducing. also your facts about 750k year climate changes due to the sun's increased activity is rediculous and id like to know where you found that info so i can post it here:

http://www.badscience.net/


FROM ALL THE OTHER PREVIOUS CREATURES THAT HAVE DIED OUT BY NOW DUMBASS!!!

And no the correct answer is that in scientific terms, each species that you are describing as living and reporducing, guess what THEY ARE ALL DEAD! There sure as hell aren't any pre-humans walking around, no dinos left, no artic or river mammoths left.. every creature that gave us the creatures we live with today is dead. Soon yes, we may evolve into another species that might be similar to humans, but eventually humans will die out and we will go into oblivion. If we go by population decrease alone, humans are going to be in a state of soft extinction (more deaths per year then births) by 3000AD.

ok well let me break this down for your Mr. Smart@$$... First of all my statement regaurding the extinction of all animals up to this point is on on a broad view of 250,000 years or so. But I find your elementary answer endearing.. But yes as history has shown it thus far, all animals that have came to be have also came to pass on @ some point, and i think that it is very arrogant for humans to think we can "beat the odds"; there is no winning against nature and yes, at some point or another humans will die out.

But now that I am done with my e-rant at your childish approach to an argument, yes you are right I missed 3 zeros on my keyboarding.. that was supposed to be 750,000,000. But my origional point still stands, the chances of us still being around to need to worry about this issue is 0%... like I said before 95% chance we will be scientifically extinct by 11,000 AD.

Now some1 else please spell check my shiz..
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Oct 5 2009 06:40pm
Quote (cialda @ Thu, Oct 1 2009, 06:49pm)
survival of the fittest. some animals will die out, others will thrive. the changes of the sun wouldnt be immediate giving a chance of adaptions/mutations.


This is true, but there is a point at which the radiation level is too great and large organisms simply cant exist. But you are right, we may be able to evolve into a species that can withstand SOME of the increased exposure, but there will be a breaking point.

Quote (Deify7 @ Mon, Oct 5 2009, 05:11pm)
I find this quite funny considering if you believe the Earth is billions of years old the Earth would have been scorched and burned making life impossible. Oh I just love how science contradicts Evolution.

About the actual topic: hopefully we will be gone by then and I do not mean gone from this Earth.


I Love small minded people putting in their 2cents on an issue that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.. please go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment and read up on your shit before you come around waving your "better and smarter then you flag" w/e link = POS just google Miller–Urey experiment and click on the wiki article.. enjoy

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