Quote (mkay0013 @ Fri, Jul 10 2009, 04:48am)
ah, my favorite argument displaying why religion is trash
the problem with assigning God to creation is that it essentially is a cop out... we can't figure out what comes before, so we'll just come up with some arbitrary all-powerful being to be the creator of all that. what came before God then? nothing, because it's God? sounds like a cop out to me... you're caught in your own web. and you said if energy was there from the beginning then we can say that God was there too, but if they were both there, what is the need for God?
science SEEKS answers, where oftentimes religion basically gives up and makes up answers (note often, not always). scientists have an idea of what the universe was made up of less than 1 millionth of a second after the Big Bang. the evidence may be shaky, but at least they're trying to figure it out instead of just assigning God as the answer
But consider if what you say is true, "we cant figure out what comes before" then any possibility is equally as likely to be true as any other. So then, why isnt the concept of a supreme being as equally likely to be true as any other possibility?
I'm just using what you've written to show you your assumption
that there isn't a god has the exact probability of being true as the assumption that there is a god. So in essence, your idea that there isnt a god is a 'cop out' too.
Science seeks answers is redundant. (Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge) I won't refute the rest of that sentence because its too vague.
But the one informed comment you make about what scientists know about the universe before the Big Bang is true. They THINK they've replicated similar conditions to the miliseconds before the Big Bang and they hope that will provide insight into the reason and conditions before the Big Bang. But conceptually, you have to consider the Big Bang the actual beginning of time and therefor there aren't any preconditions if you want to believe that everything was created from the Big Bang so that leaves you with the thought that at time = 0 (for the universe) energy was created and a major law of thermodynamics is proven false in this case.