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Jul 10 2009 09:34am
No but the thing is the only explanation/possibility of the creation of a first happening is a super natural intelligent being. There is no other possibility so by deduction the only one available is god. Can you give me another possibility?
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Jul 10 2009 01:09pm
Quote (mkay0013 @ Fri, Jul 10 2009, 04:48am)
ah, my favorite argument displaying why religion is trash

the problem with assigning God to creation is that it essentially is a cop out... we can't figure out what comes before, so we'll just come up with some arbitrary all-powerful being to be the creator of all that. what came before God then? nothing, because it's God? sounds like a cop out to me... you're caught in your own web. and you said if energy was there from the beginning then we can say that God was there too, but if they were both there, what is the need for God?

science SEEKS answers, where oftentimes religion basically gives up and makes up answers (note often, not always). scientists have an idea of what the universe was made up of less than 1 millionth of a second after the Big Bang. the evidence may be shaky, but at least they're trying to figure it out instead of just assigning God as the answer


But consider if what you say is true, "we cant figure out what comes before" then any possibility is equally as likely to be true as any other. So then, why isnt the concept of a supreme being as equally likely to be true as any other possibility?

I'm just using what you've written to show you your assumption that there isn't a god has the exact probability of being true as the assumption that there is a god. So in essence, your idea that there isnt a god is a 'cop out' too.

Science seeks answers is redundant. (Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge) I won't refute the rest of that sentence because its too vague.

But the one informed comment you make about what scientists know about the universe before the Big Bang is true. They THINK they've replicated similar conditions to the miliseconds before the Big Bang and they hope that will provide insight into the reason and conditions before the Big Bang. But conceptually, you have to consider the Big Bang the actual beginning of time and therefor there aren't any preconditions if you want to believe that everything was created from the Big Bang so that leaves you with the thought that at time = 0 (for the universe) energy was created and a major law of thermodynamics is proven false in this case.
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Jul 11 2009 11:38pm
Quote (Cadet133 @ Fri, Jul 10 2009, 11:58am)
Alot of people try to connect the dots between religion an evolution and quite frankly I try to also because I do believe that species change over time. What I dont believe is the fact that God does not exist. Yes I know you guys would say that there is no proof that god exists but is there proof that god does not exist?

You say the Big Bang theory was some massive energy explosion that converted energy into mass (atoms etc) and those atoms somehow found their way to evolve and evolve into Humans and Jackasses. But where did that energy come from? A wise thing to say is energy cannot be destroyed nor created so basically thats saying that energy was there from the beginning but that would mean we can say the same that God was there from the beginning.

My question is where is the energy that supposedly started everything come from? You cannot say that it was there from the beginning because then that wouldn't be science........

We can't say that we can prove god does not exist because its beyond our imaginations. God is a supreme being meaning his mind is far different than our mind. If god gave us the ability to comprehend his existance then thats equivalent as saying our mind = gods mind and thats not true..........


well i like to contradict your beliefs, and say that we can destroy/create anything, energy/mass/matter, it's said we use 10% of our brains at any given moment,

the un imaginable things we could do at 100% , ofcourse we couldn't be able to use it at 100% all the time... because we would whither away to fast...possibly

anyways, maybe become eternal? like this god is named and brought up to be... hmmm.
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Jul 17 2009 09:27pm
This is a science forum not a pseudo-science bullshit religious fest forum.

Post your fantasies in pard.

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Jul 17 2009 10:26pm
You don't have to prove to anyone that God exists or does not exist. Believe what you want to believe. I believe God exists and I am a regular church goer. But I also believe in Darwin's Theory. The church believes that both of these work hand in hand and it's not just one or the other. There's a few excepts from Pope John Paul II here that are interesting:
http://atheism.about.com/od/popejohnpaulii/a/evolution.htm
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Jul 18 2009 06:27am
Quote (Cadet133 @ Sat, Jul 11 2009, 01:34am)
No  but the thing is the only explanation/possibility of the creation of a first happening is a super natural intelligent being. There is no other possibility so by deduction the only one available is god. Can you give me another possibility?


What created the creator?

inb4 you make up attributes about god to prove yourself
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Jul 18 2009 07:31am
Quote (Cadet133 @ Fri, Jul 10 2009, 03:34pm)
No  but the thing is the only explanation/possibility of the creation of a first happening is a super natural intelligent being. There is no other possibility so by deduction the only one available is god. Can you give me another possibility?


maybe the universe has always existed? what if there is no beginning and no end -- infinity. Thats what hinduism says at least, i'm not saying I believe it but prove God vs. that... (before you say nothing can possibly exist for an infinite period of time, i'll just throw in that hawking actually came up with a theory that allowed for the universe and time to exist endlessly in a loop while we as human observers saw time pass linearly)

See, not knowing any other possibilities doesn't mean that the one you know is right -- thats not searching for the truth, thats called falling back on your ignorance.
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Jul 18 2009 10:03am
Quote (Ryuk44 @ Sun, Jul 12 2009, 12:38am)
well i like to contradict your beliefs, and say that we can destroy/create anything, energy/mass/matter, it's said we use 10% of our brains at any given moment,

the un imaginable things we could do at 100% , ofcourse we couldn't be able to use it at 100% all the time... because we would whither away to fast...possibly

anyways, maybe become eternal? like this god is named and brought up to be... hmmm.


Not this shit again. I explained we use more than 10% of our brains and that was a retarded urban legend that was created before the invention of technologies to actually measure brain activity.
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Jul 22 2009 12:23am
is a waste of time!
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Jul 22 2009 12:23am
Quote (ibechief @ Wed, Jul 22 2009, 02:23am)
is a waste of time!


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