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May 14 2009 08:23pm
Quote (BovineDesi @ Thu, May 14 2009, 08:49pm)
Ehm thats wrong. There may be no bounds to space time (goes unto infinity), but it has been proved that there is a specific amount of mass in the universe.

There are a couple proofs that prove that statement wrong, the first and easiest is -- when you look into the night sky, why do you see lots of empty space? If the universe had an infinite amount of matter, it means there would be an infinite amount of stars and therefore you should not be able to see anything but a blanket of stars in the night sky. In fact there should be no night time, the sky would still be white!.

Secondly, if there was an infinite amount of matter in the universe, there would be an infinite amount of gravity acting on each object and thus everything would collapse back to the center in an instant.

But I support the theory that the universe is, was and will always be. No beginning and no end -- it may be a hard concept for us to grasp, but thats because we are finite creatures and everything in our life is finite indeed. But perhaps there is also an infinite, and perhaps there was never a time = 0.


Very good you can create circular arguments. But, due to the fact that there is an infinite amount of space, there could be an infinite amount of stars that are an infinite amount apart. There are already many stars that have burned out and still appear to be bright. The term is called a light year, or the distance light can travel over a year. So there could be an infinite amount of stars that are trillions of light years away and have not reached earth yet.

Clearly gravity has limitations of distance. For example our moon's gravity may have effect on our tides, but it would not effect the gravity of other universes.

True. There one was a time that humans didn't understand the concept of 0 either. Eventually though, I believe that we may understand infinites.

And for you religious nuts out there, if god created earth, what created god? Did he just come from nothing and all of a sudden he was something? Sounds familiar, right?
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May 14 2009 08:23pm
WTF
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May 14 2009 08:30pm
Quote (BovineDesi @ Thu, May 14 2009, 05:49pm)
Ehm thats wrong. There may be no bounds to space time (goes unto infinity), but it has been proved that there is a specific amount of mass in the universe.

There are a couple proofs that prove that statement wrong, the first and easiest is -- when you look into the night sky, why do you see lots of empty space? If the universe had an infinite amount of matter, it means there would be an infinite amount of stars and therefore you should not be able to see anything but a blanket of stars in the night sky. In fact there should be no night time, the sky would still be white!.

Secondly, if there was an infinite amount of matter in the universe, there would be an infinite amount of gravity acting on each object and thus everything would collapse back to the center in an instant.

But I support the theory that the universe is, was and will always be. No beginning and no end -- it may be a hard concept for us to grasp, but thats because we are finite creatures and everything in our life is finite indeed. But perhaps there is also an infinite, and perhaps there was never a time = 0.


I lol'd when I read this.
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May 14 2009 09:56pm
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Very good you can create circular arguments. But, due to the fact that there is an infinite amount of space, there could be an infinite amount of stars that are an infinite amount apart. There are already many stars that have burned out and still appear to be bright. The term is called a light year, or the distance light can travel over a year. So there could be an infinite amount of stars that are trillions of light years away and have not reached earth yet.

Clearly gravity has limitations of distance. For example our moon's gravity may have effect on our tides, but it would not effect the gravity of other universes.

True. There one was a time that humans didn't understand the concept of 0 either. Eventually though, I believe that we may understand infinites.

And for you religious nuts out there, if god created earth, what created god?  Did he just come from nothing and all of a sudden he was something? Sounds familiar, right?


bovine is right it has been proven there is a finite amount of mass/energy in the universe. stabilized ofc by its conceptual counterpart dark matter. a bit of logical deduction should lead you to this conclusion even without researching it. infinite is INFINITE and like bovine said, this implies that everything everywhere would be consumed by matter or energy. how would u explain the void of space where the particle count per cubic meter is in the 100's?

however i dont agree with bovine on the idea that the universe always existed. there's plenty of researched evidence that shows the universe is expanding. this implies only one conclusion; that it must have a physical provenience. perhaps i misinterpreted your theory and you believe the universe existed as a singularity for an eternity before the big bang...but i dont think thats what u meant. i suppose thats more rational, but still it presents a huge logical fallacy. because how would it exist unchanging for an eternity and then suddenly ignite into the vastness it is now? and if there is no origin to the universe, there is no origin to time, and so how could time have a direction? better yet how could time exist at all? if something has absolutely no effect on anything that defines the physical universe, then it must be a fictitious invention. but we all know time exists dont we?
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May 16 2009 01:42pm
Quote (BovineDesi @ Thu, May 14 2009, 09:49pm)
Ehm thats wrong. There may be no bounds to space time (goes unto infinity), but it has been proved that there is a specific amount of mass in the universe.

There are a couple proofs that prove that statement wrong, the first and easiest is -- when you look into the night sky, why do you see lots of empty space? If the universe had an infinite amount of matter, it means there would be an infinite amount of stars and therefore you should not be able to see anything but a blanket of stars in the night sky. In fact there should be no night time, the sky would still be white!.

Secondly, if there was an infinite amount of matter in the universe, there would be an infinite amount of gravity acting on each object and thus everything would collapse back to the center in an instant.

But I support the theory that the universe is, was and will always be. No beginning and no end -- it may be a hard concept for us to grasp, but thats because we are finite creatures and everything in our life is finite indeed. But perhaps there is also an infinite, and perhaps there was never a time = 0.


Your two points are complete bullshit.

First point: Age of the universe is 14 billion years and light's speed isn't infinite. That implicates that we can't see more of our universe than a certain radius.

Second point: Gravity diminishes with distance. Very high distance won't have any effect, even if mass is infinite. Look at the Achilles paradox and you'll understand.
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Jul 5 2009 01:47pm
Quote (asdzx2 @ Tue, May 12 2009, 11:56pm)
Explain yourselves.

threw existance
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Jul 5 2009 01:49pm
no you explain
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Jul 5 2009 01:59pm
Quote (stacked @ Thu, May 14 2009, 09:23pm)
Very good you can create circular arguments. But, due to the fact that there is an infinite amount of space, there could be an infinite amount of stars that are an infinite amount apart. There are already many stars that have burned out and still appear to be bright. The term is called a light year, or the distance light can travel over a year. So there could be an infinite amount of stars that are trillions of light years away and have not reached earth yet.

Clearly gravity has limitations of distance. For example our moon's gravity may have effect on our tides, but it would not effect the gravity of other universes.

True. There one was a time that humans didn't understand the concept of 0 either. Eventually though, I believe that we may understand infinites.

And for you religious nuts out there, if god created earth, what created god?  Did he just come from nothing and all of a sudden he was something? Sounds familiar, right?


Your post makes the second law of thermodynamics cringe.

There is finite amounts of energy and mass in the universe.
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Jul 5 2009 02:03pm
Quote (aznmike @ Thu, May 14 2009, 07:57pm)
nobody knows this bc nobody knows who created the creator


but who created the creators creator?
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#20
Jul 6 2009 09:33am
first we need to explain what qualifies existance.

p.s. i fucking laughed at stacked's post
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