That just doesn't make sense.
At all.
What
so
ever

everything is nothing and nothing is everything

Still no sense. You're just saying words.

And your still posting.

Lets look at zero in a more physics oriented way -- first off its a special number because anything multiplied by zero is still zero simply because you're taking 0*2=0 which is 2 of something and taking it 0 times and so you have 0 again as an answer.
Now if we take a look at vectors, we see that 0i or 0j or 0k is simply written as a number 0 with no tags behind it. This is because zero is a point, it has no direction or magnitude -- if it has no magnitude then how can you calculate with it? Establishing another reference point is definitely necessary, otherwise the only way we'd ever be able to quantify anything is, I have 0 pencils in my hand or I do not have 0 pencils in my hand. Zero is the origin or the beggining of our cartesian coordinate system and it provides a definition to other numbers. If we had no zero, then we could never quantify an absolute number because we'd always be taking the difference between two numbers, however 0 without other numbers leads to boolean answers, yes or no, true or false and nothing with magnitude.

So yes, its possible to quantify something with only 0, but its a very incomplete picture.

i'm not asking you to regurtitate your physics and math class for me

This post was edited by Abstraction on Dec 13 2008 03:36pm

Give it a chance, physics isn't boring if you take some time with it Please keep the topic clean, since you were looking for responses. He's just trying to contribute to the conversation. The point he made about vectors may deserve this brief explanation, which is just as useful in calculus as it is in physics: a vector is something that has both direction & magnitude. Usually a vector is drawn as an arrow going up, down, left or right. He's talking about how you need zero in order to make sense of how you use other numbers Mathematically, quantification in the Cartesian co-ordinate system depends on zero for a lot of the basic operations.

This post was edited by RewtheBrave on Dec 13 2008 03:56pm

what makes you think i didn't understand what he said?

a boolean description of false doesn't describe an object. if i was to ask you to guess a number, any number, and then say that it's not 5, does that help you in any way in guessing?

This post was edited by Abstraction on Dec 13 2008 04:06pm

...*sigh*, read my post again -- thats my point.

You asked: can we quantify anything with 0 and no other reference point?

My post in summary: Yes, you can, but it would be only boolean quantification -- either I have 0 pencils in my hand or I don't have 0 pencils in my hand...and in your example about guessing its, either you're right or wrong...yes thats my point its inaccurate and incomplete -- and so we must use other numbers besides zero as reference points...

and then I just added in a little about how if we DIDN'T have 0 then we could have no absolute measurements, since we'd always be taking the difference between two numbers.

Really dude, theres no reason to get agitated, I wasn't trying to add in random stuff from physics and math class to sound fancy or whatever you were thinking...it was a straight forward answer that I think makes sense. I just added in those basic explanations to show you were I was going, not to teach you or lecture you, just reread my post...

This post was edited by BovineDesi on Dec 13 2008 04:17pm

wrong: the greeks, romans and many others did very well without zero
the zero came to western civilisation through the arabs from india

PS: before dreaming up an OP it might be good if you inform yourself first

This post was edited by brmv on Dec 14 2008 03:57am