Quote (njaguar @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 02:13pm)

My problem with the Big Bang theory is that it does not account for how a contraction of the universe will occur. Our universe is constantly expanding, and there is nothing known yet that will cause it to start back into a collapse cycle.

Quote (njaguar @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 11:23am)

One thing that always intrigued me was the thought of super black holes. Collapsed stars that become so massive that they become black holes (even light cannot escape their pull of gravity), and eventually these get larger and larger as they suck up more and more matter around them, eventually whole solar systems and galaxies.. Perhaps it is one of these that sparks an explosion that is similar to the "Big Bang", but maybe on an individual scale (unless the black hole becomes large enough to suck in the whole universe, and the point of "explosion" just happens to exactly be the size OF the universe's matter combined...)

Quote (WilliGoesInJsp @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 02:26pm)

i guess it happened
what do u guys say about those CERN peps trying to remake the bigbang and black holes will come lol
imo they cant make it
do u believe in black holes? 0.o

Quote (Spira @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 11:22am)

You don't think that if the big bang theory was somehow proved, and in turn proved evolution, that people would start to question the bible,
and in turn question their own religion?

Quote (ChaosDealer73 @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:23pm)

If I remember correctly, they are attributing both expansion and contraction to black holes and other things of massive gravity that distort space time. Although black holes absorb matter, they do constantly loose some of their density, when there is nothing left to absorb, they only get smaller in size. This plays into the safety of creating black holes on earth, they would be so small they would instantly disappear. There is some other theory out there that says that when then last black hole ceases to exist, so will the universe. If you look at black holes in the common diagrams, they are marked by  severe alterations to space time. See image:
http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Harrison/BlackHoles/transp8.2.gif
That would act as grounding. Think of it as putting a pin through a sheet of paper on a bulletin board, as the pin is slowly removed, the piece of paper loses its connection to the lower piece. When the grounding ceases to exist (as in there are no more black holes) the universe will simply fall apart. I don't know if I buy into that idea, and it was really confusing to read about and I probably rephrased it wrong, but it is an interesting theory.

Another theory is that eventually one black hole will absorb all the information in this universe. All that information will be ejected into a parallel universe or it will recreate the conditions prior to the big bang. When the ultra black hole no longer can support its own massive gravity, it will explode, similar to the big bang.

Edit: Whoops. Didn't see your last post, Paul. Hehe.

Quote (njaguar @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:23pm)

One thing that always intrigued me was the thought of super black holes. Collapsed stars that become so massive that they become black holes (even light cannot escape their pull of gravity), and eventually these get larger and larger as they suck up more and more matter around them, eventually whole solar systems and galaxies.. Perhaps it is one of these that sparks an explosion that is similar to the "Big Bang", but maybe on an individual scale (unless the black hole becomes large enough to suck in the whole universe, and the point of "explosion" just happens to exactly be the size OF the universe's matter combined...)

Quote (ChaosDealer73 @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 12:28pm)

The theory of a black hole can't be actually proven, as its name describes. Since no light can escape from it, it is invisible to the naked eye. Right now all we know is that we can see the gamma radiation being emitted from them and the fact that there is definitely SOMETHING that has so immense a gravity that it distorts all space around it. However, it is a pretty safe bet that such a thing exists. That, or something very close in nature to what we coin as a black hole.

Quote (ChaosDealer73 @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 20:28)

The theory of a black hole can't be actually proven, as its name describes. Since no light can escape from it, it is invisible to the naked eye. Right now all we know is that we can see the gamma radiation being emitted from them and the fact that there is definitely SOMETHING that has so immense a gravity that it distorts all space around it. However, it is a pretty safe bet that such a thing exists. That, or something very close in nature to what we coin as a black hole.

Quote (Spira @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 20:29)

What do you think is inside of a black hole?

What if it's just a universe transporter, and it's really nothing to be afraid of?
It just sucks in light, and planets and everything and just moves up to a different spot.


Hopefully black holes are friendly, cause I could see something like that happening in the future.
Who cares about the economy if we're gonna get eaten by a super black hole?


I just don't see how an 'explosion' creates matter, or our planets. And then how does life begin? How did we even get that first organism?
It would have had to come from somewhere, maybe it got sucked out of somewhere by a black hole

Quote (Spira @ Wed, 10 Dec 2008, 13:29)

What do you think is inside of a black hole?

What if it's just a universe transporter, and it's really nothing to be afraid of?
It just sucks in light, and planets and everything and just moves up to a different spot.


Hopefully black holes are friendly, cause I could see something like that happening in the future.
Who cares about the economy if we're gonna get eaten by a super black hole?


I just don't see how an 'explosion' creates matter, or our planets. And then how does life begin? How did we even get that first organism?
It would have had to come from somewhere, maybe it got sucked out of somewhere by a black hole

Quote (Spira @ Wed, Dec 10 2008, 08:10pm)

The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the universe that is best supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation. As used by cosmologists, the term Big Bang generally refers to the idea that the universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past, and continues to expand to this day. - wiki

I know they're running tests to try to recreate a smaller version of the big bang,
if they do, would this disprove several major religions?

If we in fact, recreated the big bang, would this disprove god?

Do you believe the big bang theory actually happened? I kinda want to see which direction this sways.