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Jan 7 2012 08:02pm
"The Icarus team at Gran Sasso says that because the neutrinos sent from Cern do not appear to lose energy on their journey, they must not have exceeded the speed of light along the way.
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Critics have suggested from the start that the experiment by the Opera collaboration, who published the first striking results, must be flawed in some way.

One of the first objections to the experiment to be formally published appeared just five weeks later in the journal Physical Review Letters, co-authored by Nobel prize-winning physicist Sheldon Glashow.

Prof Glashow and his co-author Andrew Cohen argued that particles moving faster than light should emit further particles as they travel - in the process losing energy until they slow down to light-speed."

Didn't lose energy on the way? Wasn't going faster than light speed. Did lose energy on the way? Can't go faster than light speed. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.I think the result is clear, Einstein's special relativity is broken, and needs to be discarded. It didn't lose energy because special relatvitiy is wrong, as shown by this experiment (traveling faster than light, and not losing energy along the way while trying to move faster than light).

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Jan 7 2012 09:06pm
It just has to be as sure as they can possibly get it, that's a pretty big theory to re work
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Jan 8 2012 12:05am
I was talking to a few physicists last week about this and one of them commented "well in physics we all know that our theories are just approximations, they aren't right" which is the issue here. Now, I don't think anything will come of this, it is probably just experimental error. That said, if it can be repeated in other labs (and certainly people will try) then that is exciting. Hopefully such experiments would give a hint as to what kind of new theory is needed.

As an aside, there is much better evidence for why we need to dispense with relativity. Quantum mechanics, and in particular QED, is accurate to levels that relativity cannot currently even be tested on and relativity does not play nicely with quantum mechanical predictions. What to replace it with is not at all obvious.
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Jan 8 2012 02:46am
Hang tight.

Hard core peer review is a part of the process.

Ignore the god fearing.

I should also note that Back to the Future was an awesome movie, and 1.21 gigawatts... Well... When this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... You're gonna see some serious shit.
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Jan 8 2012 04:21am
Quote (piddywiffle @ Jan 8 2012 01:46am)
Hang tight.

Hard core peer review is a part of the process.

Ignore the god fearing.

I should also note that Back to the Future was an awesome movie, and 1.21 gigawatts... Well...  When this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... You're gonna see some serious shit.


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Jan 8 2012 01:56pm
i think we should still keep ourselves seated tight

it hasn't been replicated at other facilities yet
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Jan 8 2012 11:53pm
thats crazy
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Jan 9 2012 03:41am
didnt they travel through time or something ? not faster then light speed

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Jan 9 2012 01:19pm
Quote (-=vasya=- @ Jan 9 2012 12:41pm)
didnt they travel through time or something ? not faster then light speed


no
not known what's it about to begin with
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Jan 9 2012 03:28pm
Quote (-=vasya=- @ Jan 9 2012 03:41am)
didnt they travel through time or something ? not faster then light speed


some people have supposed that traveling faster than the speed of light relates to traveling backwards in time

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