From any point that I can think of, in the universe, except for the quantum world, we can see at least somes stars. Taking this for granted, I assume that there is no place in space where there is not a single photon or a part of it, if its a wave. If everything is constantly being contained within photons, it apply for bigger blocks of matter. As an example, the earth is bombarded from a side with all the photons of the universe behind it and from the other side, by thoses of the sun, who prevent the earth from falling down straitght to it, but the sun protect it from the rest of the light comming from the other side, so it attract it. We actually knows that wood float and steel sink, so, by putting the others laws of physics together with this, what is not understood about gravity? Thanks.

Are you suggesting that there is a hidden component of electromagnetic radiation that is responsible for the force of gravity?

There is an idea like this, except gravitation would have it's own quanta, gravitons.

Thing is, theories like this haven't worked out well mathematically. Scientists who obviously know their thing better haven't found a valid way of adding gravitation into the quantum theories.

Maybe, but they try to add way too much things imo, gravitons, higgs boson, string theory, dimensions. I personnally think that the glass is just way too fcking full now...

Just because physics isn't extremely simple is no reason to write it off.

The problem with gravity in physics comes from both the macro and micro world.

in the macro world all physics breakes down when you try to describe a black hole, at the same time on the micro level of gravity (some of these problems has been solved with special relativity) we dont understand fully why electrons dont fall down into the core of the atom since the atom both has a gravity AND has the oposite charge then the electrons so electrons are both drawn towards the atom by gravity and the oposite charge.

black holes are not that hard to calculate with newtons formula you just end up with infinity, but with reltivistic physics its impossible since the black holes bends space time infinitly much and working with infinitys is nothing that can be done, atleast with the mathemathic formulas we have today.

The black hole problem could be solved If photons are responsible for gravity, they are now only pushed toward the mass since its too massive.

Danish physicist Niels Bohr postulated that electrons resided in quantized energy states, with the energy determined by the angular momentum of the electron's orbits about the nucleus. The electrons could move between these states, or orbits, by the emission or absorption of photons at specific frequencies. ( The photons repels the electron from the nucleus somehow...)

This post was edited by fizzpower on Sep 18 2011 12:06pm

how do you mean, photons responsible for gravity?

No but your personal thoughts don't matter, and the assumption that the universe should be modeled by simple theories is wrong. Who said we could understand it fully in the first place? I just said gravitons are hypothetical, they might not even be there (at least gravitational waves have been indirectly detected iirc, though). Higgs' boson just has so much theoretical evidence that it's worth to take into account. If it's not there, something's fundamentally wrong, which could be interesting too.

Problem is, all three forces merge into one force at high energies and small scale, except gravity. So it suggests gravity is quite far from photons, lol. The fact photons are affected by gravity doesn't exactly mean the contrary as well, it can be explained with relativity and bending of space due to gravitational fields.

And about electrons, check the orbital/energy level thing posted by OP.

This post was edited by Holod on Sep 18 2011 01:20pm

Yep, the photons from distant stars are mainly not in visible light anymore,the redshit, and have you taught that 14 billions light years of light may weight a little something?