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Oct 29 2010 04:40pm
"Is all that we see or seem but a dream within a dream?" Edgar Allen Poe








Sight, smell, touche, taste, hear
These five senses tell us about the world around us by sending electric signals to our brain.

This fact make us come to an indisputable conclusion. everything we see, touche, hear, and perceive as matter, the world or the universe, is only electrical signals inside our brain.


suppose you could take your brain out of your body and keep it alive in a jar, then put a computer in which all kinds of information can be stored beside the jar,
Now put the electrical signals of all the data related to a setting (such as an image, a sound and a smell) onto this computer.
Now connect this computer to the sensory center of our brain with electrodes and send the prerecorded data to our brain,
as our brain perceives these signals, it will see and live the setting correlated with these.

from this computer we could send to our brain also signals pertaining to our own image,
for instance, we could send to our brain the electrical correlates of such senses as the sight, hearing, and touch, that we perceive while we sit at a desk and read whats on a computer screen.
in that state our brain would think itself as a person sitting at a desk in front of a computer reading whats on the screen.

This brain would never realize that it only consists of a brain in a jar.

There is NO difference between the jar brains reality, and YOUR reality.

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Oct 29 2010 04:51pm
It's impossible to have a computer that can fool the brain, the brain will always win, unless it's like a super-advanced quantum computer that came from the year 40,000.
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Oct 29 2010 05:17pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Oct 29 2010 03:51pm)
It's impossible to have a computer that can fool the brain, the brain will always win, unless it's like a super-advanced quantum computer that came from the year 40,000.


Went right over this guys head.
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Oct 29 2010 05:20pm
Quote (Gawblin @ Oct 29 2010 11:17pm)
Went right over this guys head.

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Oh, trust me, I've already heard the cliche philosophical solipsistic argument that we could just be brains in a vat and that our existence is no different from this. It's just old and dumb, and was popularized by the movie the matrix.

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Oct 31 2010 09:26am
Quote (Gawblin @ Oct 29 2010 11:17pm)
Went right over this guys head.


Head. Lol
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Oct 31 2010 11:11am
the matrix.

in japan they have made a prostetic hand that attaches to nerves. you can feel yourself making motions, feel when someone touches the sensors on the hand etc... it fools the brain (or the brain fill in what it wants to).
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Oct 31 2010 01:55pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Oct 29 2010 04:51pm)
It's impossible to have a computer that can fool the brain, the brain will always win, unless it's like a super-advanced quantum computer that came from the year 40,000.


I don't think your giving us enough credit with computer technology. It seems pretty reasonable that we could have a computer this advanced within a millennium considering how quickly computers are advancing.
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Oct 31 2010 01:56pm
Quote (thenoose @ Oct 31 2010 02:55pm)
I don't think your giving us enough credit with computer technology. It seems pretty reasonable that we could have a computer this advanced within a millennium considering how quickly computers are advancing.

i would even bet on 50 years.
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Oct 31 2010 01:57pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Oct 30 2010 12:20am)
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Oh, trust me, I've already heard the cliche philosophical solipsistic argument that we could just be brains in a vat and that our existence is no different from this.  It's just old and dumb, and was popularized by the movie the matrix.


Popularised by Plato.
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Oct 31 2010 02:01pm
Quote (Veilside @ Oct 31 2010 07:57pm)
Popularised by Plato.


Actually the 'brain in the vat' concept originally came from Descartes, his had to do with a demon that deceived people. Plato's allegory of the cave predates this, but it has less to do with it than Descartes does.

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