lets say science is right and we are all alive due to coincidence. billions of stars exploded and created new elements which then in turn miraculously created humans who inhabited earth, a gigantic mass of matter with complex layers and a rotational orbit and distance from a giant star miraculously the perfect distance from the earth to sustain life.

perhaps all of that is some great coincidence and sure i guess its possible.

however there are 2 major holes that don't let me buy into the theory (which im sure i stated inaccuratly but thats the general idea to my understanding)

1. evolution is explained as organisms adapting to their environments to evolve into forms better suited for survival. Science says that life of all forms began from single cells. What does a single celled organism have to adapt to? Why would billiobs of single celled organisms evolve in such incredibly different ways? don't get me wrong - i buy into evolution to an extent. i beleive a complex organism can evolve into another or more complex organism, but i just don't see how evolution can explain the beginning of life and how different organisms came to be.

2. where did matter come from to begin with? Where did stars and planets and organisms come from? matter had to begin with something. Unless science wants to say that a mass of matter existed for infinity then i dont quite understand how this is explained. something existed in some form that science cant explain logically. an element, an atom, anything. something existed and science cant explain why it got there


discuss without bullshit plz

Well I am going to state right here I am a Christian so I don't believe in evolution or the big bang theory. (Google some stuff that proves that the earth is only about 6000-1000 years old). But what I am saying is that neither the atheist nor the theist can be 100% proven by science. Nobody knows where God came from (the Bible states that humans won't ever be able to comprehend his ways) and nobody can explain where these stars that exploded came from. Both require faith.

all i'm really saying is that people need to accept that we have a limitation of knowledge and instead of arguing with each other and killing each other over theories we need to focus on more important things.

people are so busy focusing on why we exist instead of focusing on how we exist. that's the biggest problem with humans. people are dying from diseases and poverty and violence but nobody gives a damn about that because we need to explain where we came from. people just have too much pride and arrogance to admit that they'll never understand something.

evolution has been proven....

imo this god could start life as he saw fit... if that is a big bang so be it

evolution has been proven to an EXTENT. it can explain how complex organisms evolve into other complex organisms but has a very hard time explaining how single celled organisms evolve in such incredibly different ways.

and sure good could be the reason behind the big bang and w/e else but science only explains so far back, and of course religion explains even less by leaping from where we are to where we started with no inbetween

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This post was edited by tedmore on May 11 2010 01:36am

a weak person who tries to build a house of stone is going to live their life accomplishing a whole lot less then a weak person who accepts they are weak an entire empire out of mud and twigs

1. the time line from single cell to "animal" or whatever term you want to use is HUGE. i mean you cant fathom how long it actually took for these things to happen. i mean a lot of people seem to think we went from single cell to animal types in a short time but it was actually millions of years of small adaptations. i mean lets say you drop 1 strand of hair on the floor for a million years soon enough that floor turned into the base of a mountain. the numbers are just gargantuan. examples of modern evolution are the best symbols for people to understand how the process works and thats really all you should need plus a basic understanding of the entire process.

2. we still have no idea where the matter that started this universe came from. everything is still a theory because we are talking about the universe here. i mean if you understand how light works and stuff you can think about how large the universe is and how long a image from the opposite side of us would probably take just to reach us. i mean we honestly have no real chance of ever seeing where the universe began because we simply cannot reach that far. the fact we can prove that we can never reach that far however is valid evidence enough to me however to know that everything came from somewhere and thats enough for me since its likely that the light from somewhere that far away will not reach where we are for almost eternity. the science behind all of this is there its just we have no end answer because we will probably never have it. if the universe is as infinite as we think than it means the beginning will never be found because it is infinitely in the center and unreachable. i mean the science is really amazing and insightful.

Religion and science never mix good.

what you say about evolution is just a dismissive general statement. i know it takes millions of years and i know it can be miraculous how the earth changes in that time etc but that doesnt answer my question. In what way would a single celled organism adapt? A single celled organism has nothing to adapt to because it has no functions and has no needs or requirements to live. single celled organisms can live in the most extreme of temperatures and conditions, why would they evolve to live in less extreme conditions? when it comes to survival they are the best organism on earth at it.

Why would a single celled organism evolve into something that requires hunting for food? it just doesnt make sense.

why would two single celled organism living in the same area evolve into completely different animals? hundreds of single celled organisms evolving into different things.

i guess what im trying to say is that i don't think science can explain evolution at its earliest stages, if it even occured then. It can't explain why simple organisms evolved into complex organisms.

and regarding the beginning of matter i guess that discussion isnt possible to go more in depth to if we both agree that science can't explain where it started or where it came from



thats only because people are closed minded

i personally just dont think religion is a good mix in anything

This post was edited by tedmore on May 11 2010 02:55am

i don't know about the scientific communities take on early evolution in depth but to me it seems like there are way to many factors to be sure on how it started. could of been temperatures, introduction of a new element, overpopulation. i mean really it just seems like there are way to many possibilities to be sure on how and why it all started. im sure there are more educated people that have a better guess but to me it seems like there are way to many choices but since there are choices im sure any of them could of been the defining factor. i

and to be clear...current science cant explain where it came from only that it did come from somewhere. in the future im sure we will get better answers or theories of that we can be sure.