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Nov 24 2009 02:47am
So In my lecture yesterday somebody asked:



Theoretically, if they had a suction machine attached to a metal pipe and he stood at the other end of it, would there ever be enough suction to condense and pull his body down the pipe. Or would his skin get ripped off.

Think about it, you would need enough suction to shrink human bone.

Our lecturer didnt have an answer for him and just joked that he should try it and find out.

Can anyone explain this? Or is it just a stupid question with no 'known' answer?
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Nov 24 2009 02:52am
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So In my lecture yesterday somebody asked:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2280/suction.jpg

Theoretically, if they had a suction machine attached to a metal pipe and he stood at the other end of it, would there ever be enough suction to condense and pull his body down the pipe.  Or would his skin get ripped off.

Think about it, you would need enough suction to shrink human bone.

Our lecturer didnt have an answer for him and just joked that he should try it and find out.

Can anyone explain this? Or is it just a stupid question with no 'known' answer?


at first i thought you were trying to be funny by drawing an image that looked like a disproportioned dick

and now, after reading it, i just think you're a retard
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Nov 24 2009 06:13am
Well I don't have an easy answer. But this might get you close.

No matter how big or powerful the suction machine is, the best it can do it create (and maintain) a perfect vacuum. So under ideal circumstances you'll get the atmosphere pressure pushing the man into the pipe (15 pounds per square inch). I have no idea how much damage that can do to a body.
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Nov 24 2009 07:34am
depends how much suction power is behind the machine...

it would be kind like a vaccuum... focusing on the area that got sucked toward it first... I highly doubt it would shrink bone... it could break bones however and depending on which part of the body got sucked toward the enternece first, it could remove parts of the body...I.e if the stomach got sucked toward the enterence the person could be disembowled..but as for the whole body itself.. depends on the size of the hole I suppose... :/

odd question, but interesting none the less


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Nov 24 2009 08:05am
There are some horror stories about something quite similar to this. It was called 'the squeeze'. It happened during the times where a diver still had his oxygen supplied from the surface water, where pumps would pressurize his suit. As those pumps would fail, depresssurization would cause the body of the diver to get sucked in like someone being drinked through a straw.

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Classically, "squeeze" is a feature of hard-hat diving, and is a regular topic in books about marine salvage, as it is a constant threat to the diver. Rear Admiral Edward Ellsberg's books come to mind. See http://www.edwardellsberg.com/
Background for the "Standard diving dress" is athttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_diving_dress

There are two mechanisms for squeeze.

First, the air line supplying pressure to the diver's helmet fails catastrophically, and the pressure of the water abruptly extrudes the body of the diver into the helmet. The engineering solution to this is a check valve at the helmet, so while the story from 'A Brief History of Everything' may be partially true, and may well have occurred once or twice, I expect that it is mostly legendary now. That the diver's body would be completely extruded into the air line doesn't survive close inspection, as 1) the viscosity of the tissues is going make pushing them up the narrow line very difficult, 2) sooner or later a piece of bone would get jammed in the hole in the helmet where the air is exiting, and block it, and 3) the line may collapse under the water pressure, blocking it. The physics of the 'A Brief History of Everything' story cited here requires that the air line be intact and open all the way to the surface, and that the diver's remains be forced out on the surface, which would be a lot more noticeable than whatever remains they found when they pulled the suit up.

Second, and much more common, is that the diver, in zero-visibility conditions (which are quite frequent in diving salvage), walks into a hole or off the side of a sunken ship. Since the diver is weighted down to keep him in place, he immediately starts to sink, and as he sinks, the pressure of the water on his body goes up. If his line-tender is doing his job, keeping slack out of the air line, safety line, telephone line, etc., the diver gets squeezed a little, the line tender pulls him back up, and he gets on with the job. If the line tender has been sloppy and there is a lot of slack, the diver is squeezed harder, and depending on the drop, is anywhere from injured to extruded into his helmet like toothpaste.

Since the helmet is an expensive piece of equipment, somebody gets to remove the diver's remains from it. Traditionally, this job falls to the errant line-tender, and a spoon is the legendary tool for doing so. Normally, line-tenders are either divers or diver apprentices, and have been squeezed themselves, so they have complete apprehension of the problem. And as part of their training, their trainers make sure they hear all about squeeze, and the stories get embellished and take on legendary aspects, so it's hard to separate out the details, such as who, when, where, how, and why, which are buried in brief naval accident reports.

Squeeze is almost entirely avoidable, and catastrophic incidents are sufficiently gristly to make the news, so they don't seem to be very common.

I don't know how much pressure it would take to extrude a human body like toothpaste, but several atmospheres at least, and figure about 35 feet of seawater depth per atmosphere. Properly, this Snopes entry should be answered by someone well-acquainted with the medical diving literature. Pondering gadgets like meat grinders and the mechanical advantage required for them leads me to suspect that extrusion of a diver into his helmet is a sea story, although injury and death by squeeze are very real.
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Nov 25 2009 08:20pm
Yes, it is totally possible, you just need enough power. Azrad, you forgot that once said poor human clogged the pipe, the suction increases rapidly. This situation is entirely possible, just need a big enough vacuum source.. on this topic, enjoy the classic crab video..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2282315072963146154&ei=P-UNS--3EI6-rALNsOwr&q=crab+vs+pipe&hl=en#
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Nov 26 2009 12:20am
Quote (Topher_Laid @ Nov 25 2009 09:20pm)
Yes, it is totally possible, you just need enough power. Azrad, you forgot that once said poor human clogged the pipe, the suction increases rapidly. This situation is entirely possible, just need a big enough vacuum source.. on this topic, enjoy the classic crab video..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2282315072963146154&ei=P-UNS--3EI6-rALNsOwr&q=crab+vs+pipe&hl=en#


This happened in Alien Resurrection...
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Nov 26 2009 12:52am
if it had enough suction it would simply latch on to him and suck a hole through him. his whole body wouldnt collapse through it
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Nov 26 2009 01:04am
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This happened in Alien Resurrection...


damn! you beat me to it :angry:
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at first i thought you were trying to be funny by drawing an image that looked like a disproportioned dick

and now, after reading it, i just think you're a retard


fucking lol'd :rofl:

This post was edited by Greapper on Nov 26 2009 01:05am
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Nov 26 2009 02:34am
They tested something like this on Mythbusters earlier.

A diver underwater with an uneven pressure differential = Owned

Just replace suction with the 130 psi from 300ft under.

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=T27WL0IN
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