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Jan 15 2009 09:27pm
Okay, lets assume special relativity is right.
If you have a spaceship approaching the speed of light, its mass converts to energy.
If the mass converts to energy, then that means that the mass is 0.
According to E=mc^2, E is the energy, m is the mass, and c is the speed; so if mass is 0 then the energy is 0.
Thus the spaceship has no mass and no energy.
How can one miss this simple contradiction?

This post was edited by AEtheric on Jan 15 2009 09:31pm
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Jan 15 2009 09:39pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Thu, Jan 15 2009, 09:27pm)
Okay, lets assume special relativity is right.
If you have a spaceship approaching the speed of light, its mass converts to energy.
If the mass converts to energy, then that means that the mass is 0.
According to E=mc^2, E is the energy, m is the mass, and c is the speed; so if mass is 0 then the energy is 0.
Thus the spaceship has no mass and no energy.
How can one miss this simple contradiction?


Oh, it's true. Relativity doesn't apply to the speed of light, only objects APPROACHING the speed of light. We've tested relativity by launching clocks into orbit and keeping their time on Earth. They run slower because of the faster speed.
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Jan 15 2009 09:41pm
Quote (Dr_zoidberg71 @ Fri, Jan 16 2009, 03:39am)
Oh, it's true. Relativity doesn't apply to the speed of light, only objects APPROACHING the speed of light. We've tested relativity by launching clocks into orbit and keeping their time on Earth. They run slower because of the faster speed.


That's general relativity, not special relativity. And yes, you're right, and approaching is correct.

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That's general relativity, not special relativity. And yes, you're right, and approaching is correct.


Special relativity basically says that objects going the speed of light see no difference in their own time. So, a photon looking at a watch traveling with it will see time going normally, while in reality time will be going VERY slow for it.

Special Relativity is all about perception at the speed of light, and since we can't go the speed of light yet we can't test it.

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Jan 15 2009 09:55pm
itt we need a wikipedia page open
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Jan 15 2009 09:56pm
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itt we need a wikipedia page open


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Jan 15 2009 10:44pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Thu, Jan 15 2009, 10:27pm)
Okay, lets assume special relativity is right.
If you have a spaceship approaching the speed of light, its mass converts to energy.
If the mass converts to energy, then that means that the mass is 0.
According to E=mc^2, E is the energy, m is the mass, and c is the speed; so if mass is 0 then the energy is 0.
Thus the spaceship has no mass and no energy.
How can one miss this simple contradiction?



mass is a measurement, not the thing being measured. u meant matter

and matter and energy are the same thing.

so..yea

This post was edited by dothe on Jan 15 2009 10:50pm
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Jan 15 2009 10:49pm
Its only within 1%- about 90% The speed of Light bro when the equation works
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Quote (AEtheric @ Fri, Jan 16 2009, 03:27am)
Okay, lets assume special relativity is right.
If you have a spaceship approaching the speed of light, its mass converts to energy.
If the mass converts to energy, then that means that the mass is 0.
According to E=mc^2, E is the energy, m is the mass, and c is the speed; so if mass is 0 then the energy is 0.
Thus the spaceship has no mass and no energy.
How can one miss this simple contradiction?


Not to be a troll... but stick to the questions you get in grade 11 physics.
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Jan 16 2009 12:29pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Thu, Jan 15 2009, 08:27pm)
Okay, lets assume special relativity is right.
If you have a spaceship approaching the speed of light, its mass converts to energy.
If the mass converts to energy, then that means that the mass is 0.
According to E=mc^2, E is the energy, m is the mass, and c is the speed; so if mass is 0 then the energy is 0.
Thus the spaceship has no mass and no energy.
How can one miss this simple contradiction?


if anyone is confused or wants to know more about relativity, post and ill send you a link to a website that gives like 2 or 3 pretty good ~25 min videos on relativity and pretty much every other part of physics. Oh yea, its all free too.
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