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Feb 25 2023 12:05pm
My auradin is using 2x dragon and HoJ to have the big holy fire damage.

Would using fire damage charms be more effective than max damage charms?

I believe the fire damg charms would only help my physical, but would they also have additional invisible damage because of sunder and facets?

Thanks in advance!
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Feb 25 2023 10:08pm
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Feb 25 2023 10:32pm
i think they will work with -enemy fire res. +fire damage. not with aura or +fire skill damage.
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Feb 25 2023 10:35pm
Quote (L8knightResurrected @ Feb 25 2023 10:32pm)
i think they will work with -enemy fire res. +fire damage. not with aura or +fire skill damage.


Thanks! Any idea if max damg or fire damg would work better? With Max you can pair it with AR, at a cost of course.
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Feb 25 2023 10:49pm
im going to assume you are make a pvm auradin. you are using hoj. it has ignore targets def right? conviction lowers def too. i wouldn't use max ar charms with him. i don't know that i would use fire damage charms either unless they are really good ones. i think 20 lifers or res charms would be best.
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Feb 26 2023 12:47am
I finished building not too long ago a dragondin in NL.

I just like the theme and, since I owned a tesla back in the d2l days I wanted smthing different, plus it's a nice place to keep togheter all my pvm SC :rolleyes:

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/zk010671

OBV this is a NL /flex char, but since I do play quit a bit with it I would say:

- if you check my DPS dragondin attack is 95% elemental, given how sh*tty hoj is compared to a grief. The trade off is that your aura is much better then tesla at low player count and your elemental zeal, now with sunder, does over 50k dps anyway.

- IF you want to boost a bit the leeching you should focus on 9min ringo with war traveler to compensate the horrible base dmg of a phase blade, or make a soj in a better base and deal with zeal repairs (big NO)

I did go for the min dmg /wt ringo direction with some 7mf 20ar/3max but is a complete overkill.


What you should actually do, anyway, is to use an Insight Emilio with prayer and cure for max life regen (both insight AND cure gain sinergy from lvl 20 prayer) and use insight to regen the mana.

The biggest problem that is not discussed in most guides/youtube video that I can find is actually the fact that you basically can not leech at p1-p3 since everything dies before you can touch it :rofl:

As you see, I do use insight/prayer Emilio myself even with the ml/ll sub theme running. The secondary big prop of insight is that it let you charge 24/7 no matter what, at this is a pretty big plus per se.

For ladder // budget I would advice;

- flickering over tele/30frw jeweler diadem to fix fire res
- plain aldur or some sort of cheap dual res frw boots
- stat/resist ringo of some sort
- SC should be resists and once fixed either life or magic find, especially if you can not afford double affixes on those
- prayer emilio with insight/cure and LL armor (ecoh if you have the budget later on)

Hope this helps!

This post was edited by Banjoco on Feb 26 2023 12:50am
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Quote (Banjoco @ Feb 26 2023 12:47am)
I finished building not too long ago a dragondin in NL.

I just like the theme and, since I owned a tesla back in the d2l days I wanted smthing different, plus it's a nice place to keep togheter all my pvm SC :rolleyes:

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/zk010671

OBV this is a NL /flex char, but since I do play quit a bit with it I would say:

- if you check my DPS dragondin attack is 95% elemental, given how sh*tty hoj is compared to a grief. The trade off is that your aura is much better then tesla at low player count and your elemental zeal, now with sunder, does over 50k dps anyway.

- IF you want to boost a bit the leeching you should focus on 9min ringo with war traveler to compensate the horrible base dmg of a phase blade, or make a soj in a better base and deal with zeal repairs (big NO)

I did go for the min dmg /wt ringo direction with some 7mf 20ar/3max but is a complete overkill.


What you should actually do, anyway, is to use an Insight Emilio with prayer and cure for max life regen (both insight AND cure gain sinergy from lvl 20 prayer) and use insight to regen the mana.

The biggest problem that is not discussed in most guides/youtube video that I can find is actually the fact that you basically can not leech at p1-p3 since everything dies before you can touch it :rofl:

As you see, I do use insight/prayer Emilio myself even with the ml/ll sub theme running. The secondary big prop of insight is that it let you charge 24/7 no matter what, at this is a pretty big plus per se.

For ladder // budget I would advice;

- flickering over tele/30frw jeweler diadem to fix fire res
- plain aldur or some sort of cheap dual res frw boots
- stat/resist ringo of some sort
- SC should be resists and once fixed either life or magic find, especially if you can not afford double affixes on those
- prayer emilio with insight/cure and LL armor (ecoh if you have the budget later on)

Hope this helps!


This is great! Thank you! So you went with 3/20/7s over fire damage magic find. Super cool build.
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Feb 26 2023 09:23am
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This is great! Thank you! So you went with 3/20/7s over fire damage magic find. Super cool build.


they are both kinda useless, I just went for the ml/ll theme since I had most of the stuff around but is honestly overkill. IMO bis would actually be 7mf or 20life or 3frw affixes, omega over cap resist and don't care about phisical side of zeal. On the idea of the fire suffix on SCs I would say that is not needed, rare to find and utterly useless everywhere else, and on top of that you have a plain 90k dps fire zeal already, no reason to ever boost that number even at p8 vs bosses.

Making the ED of LoH work was hard and not sinergistic, even if it felt nice to put all together (demon ED of loh, str/lvl of dragons, war traveler and this gucci 9min ringo to help trash phase blade base dmg etc) it's not actually what you are doing with this paladin.

If you check my sheet vs a target dummy at p1 I do 87k dps with a 5.5k phisical / 80k fire split even with all the stuff I added to do any sort of phisical DPS, and that's due to our trash weapon :rofl:

Just use insight/prayer on emilio for regen (and infinite mana for charge to move around), focus on cap resists and you are good to go! rest is plus ;) as a last note: you can also consider going zero MF and just rune/base hunt at cows. it's his main power, after all.

glad I could help out anyway, gl with him ^^

This post was edited by Banjoco on Feb 26 2023 09:34am
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