Or is it all about the spider/hybrid sins?

kicksins using which skill? dragon talon, dragon tail or dragon flight?

Whichever would be more viable for pvp. My guess is dragon talon though.

no they are not

Sin in genenral is not viable until they revert their fhr changes.

Sin is all about stun. Without being able to stun, all sin skills suck.


Or increase sins damage by 2-3x

Why was kicksin so powerful before and weak pvp now? What did they change?

Kicksin was never powerful

However, some time after d2r release in some small patch release, for about a month, there was a bug where there martial arts tree had a bug where it had 100% hit rate and could never be blocked. So for a short time people abused this bug.

Other than this kick has never been particularly powerful in pvp. Other than an extra stun mechanism for trappers. But because stun was essentially removed from the game in d2r, this is irrelevant.

Well they can work a little, I had kicksins on d2lod and they worked fine, but I would never build one now for pvp with current stun functions.

If u want something new and special a blade fury sin could be fun now.

Let me know and i can give you some builds.

Ya you'd need to trap + mb stun them really good to lock them up so you can't actually tele in and dragon talon them. otherwise the target will move or tele away. Not really viable for pvp w/o stun, agree with others.