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I scrolled through the strategies and guides. It looks like hammerdin and sorc are the best options for MF with a hardcore build. Is there anything I’m missing? Maybe a build that is not as good but more fun? Maybe one that’s less fun but an absolute tank. Looking forward to your feedback.
I would have searched this topic first but I couldn’t figure out how to.
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Hammers are strong and safe build. Foh is a good starter build.
Summon Necro is one of the safest builds and the gear is cheap.
Sorcs are still good ofc for ladder starter. Blizzard for budget, lightning for expensive gear.
Trap assassin is good and safe because you can set traps and run around while the traps kill so it's hard to die.
Javazons are insane if you have the gear.

Softcore and hardcore are pretty much the same. Get a bo barb for hardcore.
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Hammers are strong and safe build. Foh is a good starter build.
Summon Necro is one of the safest builds and the gear is cheap.
Sorcs are still good ofc for ladder starter. Blizzard for budget, lightning for expensive gear.
Trap assassin is good and safe because you can set traps and run around while the traps kill so it's hard to die.
Javazons are insane if you have the gear.

Softcore and hardcore are pretty much the same. Get a bo barb for hardcore.


Thank you for taking the time to get back to me, this information helps me a lot. The javazon gets me excited, I had completely forgotten about them. I am going to review this guide and get started.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=35613244
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Thank you for taking the time to get back to me, this information helps me a lot. The javazon gets me excited, I had completely forgotten about them. I am going to review this guide and get started.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=35613244


That guide looks pretty good. It you have enigma then spirit monarch is the best shield. If you don't have enigma then mosers or ss are good options.

Some other random tips:

The best jewel for griff is 15ias / 3 mana per kill although 15ias with some res is a good option.

I like aldurs boots for 50 fire res and highlords for the light res and +1 skill

Enigma is better than CoH. Try to fill in fire and light resists with inventory. Cold and psn resists generally not that important.

Sillweave boots for cows. Can also throw on treks if you need psn res for a certain area

This post was edited by camopk on Oct 24 2022 07:24am
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Quote (camopk @ Oct 24 2022 08:17am)
That guide looks pretty good. It you have enigma then spirit monarch is the best shield. If you don't have enigma then mosers or ss are good options.

Some other random tips:

The best jewel for griff is 15ias / 3 mana per kill although 15ias with some res is a good option.

I like aldurs boots for 50 fire res and highlords for the light res and +1 skill

Enigma is better than CoH. Try to fill in fire and light resists with inventory. Cold and psn resists generally not that important.

Sillweave boots for cows. Can also throw on treks if you need psn res for a certain area


Update:
Made a bare minimum bo barb level 63
Level 85 Jav Zon.
Still pending gloves, eth titan, griffon, skillers, infinity, andy.

This post was edited by vacantdesires on Nov 4 2022 03:08pm
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Update:
Made a bare minimum bo barb level 63
Level 85 Jav Zon.
Still pending gloves, eth titan, griffon, skillers, infinity, andy.


Always good to bo yourself for sure.
You don't need to overpay for eth titans since it's not really better than normal titans. It just leeches better due to more physical dmg.
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With 0 good gear, javazons, assassins and necros are the best - but they're sort of stuck in specific areas, meaning they have to clear specific areas, they can't go everywhere (For example, a 0 good gear javazon would be best for cows; a 0 good gear assassin would either do pits (lightning) or stony tomb (fire)). Necros are viable in more areas in 0 good gear, but their killing speed is utter shit without +skills.

I tested these in 3 player games on hell with only gambled/bought items (from vendors) and they can all handle it.

Javazon is particularly good early ladder for hell cows, but it's kinda shit in other areas (in blue gear, I mean; once they get really good gear, they're good in 90% of the places you could go to).
Necro is the safest.
Assassins are less impressive, but a naked wake of fire assassin (tested it) can clear stony tomb (a2) in p3 hell.

Sorceress has the advantage of being able to farm hell mefisto fast at the start of the ladder in cheap mf gear (gull, goldwrap, chance guards, maybe a lem-ko-tir or ptopaz armor/helm; as long as they can maintain the 63/75 fcr breakpoint for teleport and main skill, they're fine), but their survivability is utter shit, so don't be surprised if you die to a bad teleport in durance2.

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11/13/2022
Hardcore
Level 93 Amazon - Javelin
Gear
197/6 upped non eth titans
um'd stormshield
switch - non eth titan w/ moser
17/11 griff w/ 15ias/18 cold res jewel
2/20 11PR gloves
Highlords
Razrotail
raven frost
ring 63 ar / 3 ml / 7 ll / 9 dex / 17 FR / 7 mf
Sandstorm Boots
Great Hauberk 15ed COH - 928 Def.
-90 Light Sunder
4x Plain Jav Skill GC
1x Jav Skill with 12 fhr
1x Gheed
5x 11 Light res sc
1x 7 fire res sc
175 psn dmg sc
anni
torch

Stats
CS - 597 - 1042 pys + 1-8131 Light dmg
Fury - 647-1169 pys - 1-3030 light
189 Str
209 dex
Max Block
388 Vita
44mana

Base Stats:
77 STR
115 DEX
348 Vita
15 Mana

All Resists 75
Defense: 11252
Life 3302
Mana 524

Adv. Stats
21 ll
3ml
Damage reduce 43%
65mf
55ias
32fhr
35 fbr
34 deadly strike
33 piercing

Level 89 Barbarian - Tele BO
Max BO, Shout, and BC
Natural Resistance
Iron Skin
Hits sorc fcr breakpoints
Only exists to bo and tele for jav zon.



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