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May 13 2022 10:26am
Curious if anyone tried to go dual dream or dragon/ HOJ (in a +3 foh/+3 conv caddy). Debating if that is on par with a pure foh build.

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May 13 2022 10:52am
Dragon dragon hoj with foh is a very common build and has been for like 15 years


It’s more for pvp tho.


If you can afford hoj dragon dragon, just make enigma and be an hdin

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May 29 2022 02:10pm
Quote (kwockl @ May 14 2022 12:26am)
Curious if anyone tried to go dual dream or dragon/ HOJ (in a +3 foh/+3 conv caddy). Debating if that is on par with a pure foh build.



With solid buffs to both Holy Fire and FOH in 2.4, I dont know why this hybrid build hasnt been discussed in more detail after the patch.

I started ladder with the standard HF Auradin/Zeal build dual Dragons and HOJ.. Its a powerful build except when you run into fire immunes., Then the build slows down big time. I only run PVM atm.

Im running the build you mentioned with dual Dragons and HOJ in a +3 FOH/+3 Conviction Scepter. Now there is enough points to max out the Resist Fire/Salvation/FOH/Conviction/Holy Bolt without having to sacrifice too much except for the FOH lightning damage.

Ive also ran a pure FOH build ( and hammerdin ) with solid gear and find them both slow/limiting compared to FOH/HF Auradin.

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With solid buffs to both Holy Fire and FOH in 2.4, I dont know why this hybrid build hasnt been discussed in more detail after the patch.

I started ladder with the standard HF Auradin/Zeal build dual Dragons and HOJ.. Its a powerful build except when you run into fire immunes., Then the build slows down big time. I only run PVM atm.

Now Im running the build you mentioned with dual Dragons and HOJ in a +3 FOH/+3 Conviction War Scepter. Now there is enough points to max out the Resist Fire/Salvation/FOH/Conviction/Holy Bolt without having to sacrifice too much except for the FOH lightning damage.

Ive also ran a pure FOH build ( and hammerdin ) with solid gear and find them both slow/limiting compared to FOH/HF Auradin.


I also found that the FOH is good in their own niche areas, but Act 2, 3 and cows are prime examples of it being unplayable. Problem is that my FOHdin is on Ladder and I have HOJ, Dragon, and dual dreams waiting for me on NL to test the build. There should be enough points to max Resist Fire/ Resist Lightning/ Conviction (save points where I can) / Holy Bolt / FOH. Anything left over can go into holy shock for more light dmg.

I do notice that I lost tons of skills points (2 helm, 4 shield, and 2 from Body). Not sure if this build could make up for that kind of lose. Also debating if just running HOJ with dual dreams + nigma will work.
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May 29 2022 02:29pm
Yes, I struggled with those areas in my pure FOH gear and other areas with my Auradin.

Dual Dragon + HOJ, and the level 44HF is far superior than mixing in dreams and getting two lower level auras. The Holy Bolt damage from FOH more than makes up anything a level 30 holy shock aura will give you.

I guess you'll have to wait until ladder finishes to test it. Best of luck with it.
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May 29 2022 02:38pm
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Yes, I struggled with those areas in my pure FOH gear and other areas with my Auradin.

Dual Dragon + HOJ, and the level 44HF is far superior than mixing in dreams and getting two lower level auras. The Holy Bolt damage from FOH more than makes up anything a level 30 holy shock aura will give you.

I guess you'll have to wait until ladder finishes to test it. Best of luck with it.


Thanks. I'll keep you posted on my findings, and you're probably right on just focusing HF instead of 2 auras. I'll be testing in a few areas.
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May 31 2022 01:51am
If you can, try to get caddy for your hoj. The elite base dmg + extra ed% from hoj is significant enough to warrant the upgrade.

Also interms of pvp, it makes ur charge/zeal alot more deadly, gives you another angle of attack especially when people try to go stacked res/ full sorb on you.
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