You must have not played during older patches
This is a telsadin or whatever you spell it. people have played these many many times already, even dated back to classic when no synergies were even a part of the mix, as alternative to the standard physical zealot.

The only thing you changed that the old school guys never used were facet gear, jstod and any other fancy runewords (simply cause that gear didnt exist and when it finally could drop, they already had all the melee zealot stuff for zpk)

Nice that you spent time to write out an old refresh guide (great for lad reset if they refuse to be a hammerdin)
But this build has existed long time already

All in bold bothers me.

Obviously people have been running holy shock since the game released sherlock. It's called Tesladin.
I just wanted to share it since i didn't see this variant of the build before. (if you see a similar build please link it since I'm always looking for suggestions/improvements)
Also I wouldn't call this an alternative to phys zealots since those are crappy and not really viable in PvM (at least if you want any sort of efficiency)



well imo its less of a pain to read longer texts in bold. Probably its because i got 1280 resolution though.

This post was edited by Kenny123 on Nov 28 2013 02:03am

Good efforts, strong build indeed.

Some input / preferences :
- I like having free inventory (or almost) for pvm. If you get rid off a bunch of Offensive skillers, the difference in levels between 2xDreams and your build is not huge. I would rather use Dreams (at least for the double pulse, able to clear Hell solo games by its own).
- Why waterwalk ? Extra fire res ? Unused extra life ? Try Gore (or Goblin) instead in my opinion.
- 1-71 small charm are super rare (coupled with 20 life or some other useful thing). The bonus is not really noticeable if you reach 10+K max light damage.
- Some items are really expensive (Jstod 40+ res ? come on !) compared to a simple Dreams setup (2 * Jah and you're done).


In my opinion, 4 frames zeal is more important than an extra 15@res. Just use a plain 15ias for budget builds. Use some @res charms if you feel the need for them.

Have you tried Griswold Tesladin ? I understand it's hard to do without Grief...

Anyway, these are more questions than criticism, good job !

dual dream has the same auralevel with no skillers (30). Lightning damage on hit with dream build and no charms is 1-7005. If you go for dream+spec holy freeze, you gain 2k cold, lose 1k phys, 3.3k lightning, 1 fcr cap. If you got for hoj+dragon chest and triple aura, you gain 1.8k cold, 1.5k fire, lose 3-3.5k phys, 3.3 lightning, teleport. I've playtested the other builds aswell and it's just not worth it.

Gores are also very good for this build forgot to mention it in my first post. I just felt like you didn't need more damage that's why i went for waterwalk for extra 110 base life (198 with bo)

charms are pretty rare indeed, but theres nothing useful you could go for. 3max/ar sucks, pure ar/mana etc is useless aswell. best thing you can get is decent lightdmg scs probably 1-50 or smth

using a white sacred targe instead of jstod will cost 75 base life @ 92 (135 with bo) - pretty manageable imo

the jewel i meant was one with 15ias and lower allres or singleres, ofc you should never lose a zeal bp

the issue with griswold is that you need 142ias to get max zeal ias, losing so many facettes its not worth it, going for less ias doesn't seem to be worth is either. also you lose 75% fcr tele and shitloads of phys dmg

The way i playtested was mostly 8-player cs runs. meeting a non-piercable dual immune happened around every 20th run.
if you just skip those you don't lose that much since the next boss usually isn't far. Also in cs infector/de seis can never be dual immune since they have base fire/cold immunity respectively and the game just ignores it if any boss would have more than 2 immunities from its affixes. Grand Vizier of Chaos can be dual immune and non-piercable, the chance of him being that is not that high though, since he has base 100lightning and 50 physical res, therefore he needs stone skin and either lightning enchanted, spectral hit or magic resistant to be dual immune and non-piercable.
In general only base lightning or phys immunes can ever be dual immune because of the 2 immunity cap, and almost all lightning immunes need extra resistance mods AND stone skin aswell as 50 base phys res, since you can normally pierce almost all immunes. Physical immunes need high base lightres (50) and two resistance modifiers, one of them being lightning enchanted for +75 to be non-piercable with 135 or 155, because +60 from the other two together would result in piercable 110.

This post was edited by Kenny123 on Nov 30 2013 05:07am

Who talks about specing those skills ?

max synergies for Holy Shock (40 pts),
max Sacrifice, some points into Zeal,
max Fanatism (in this case merc will carry Infinity) or put into Conviction (until -150%) (and then use Reaper's merc if teleporting, or Pride if charging).

Grief + Enigma (Fortitude if you're ok with charge) + 2xDreams = tons of physical and light damage.
LoH / Gore / Raven / (fcr) leech ring / Highlord / Arach or SoE

This build has higher physical damage (bonus from lvl 25+ fanatism, or either Concentration or Decrepify).

Actually I'm more into charge than into teleport with paladins, that's why I don't bother with fcr. But still, you can reach 30fcr breakpoint with Arach + fcr ring.

And I agree that bi-immuned monsters are rare enough to not worry about them (Decrepefy setup will almost never meet any unpiercable physical + light).

ah dunno i thought u meant dual aura builds cause you said double pulse

anyway I think i mentioned the fana build in my first post. the gain without inventory is 2k physical, the loss 3.3k average lightning.


enigma builds:
fana, dual dream, magefist: 6k phys, 3,5k light, 9,5k total, -0res from gear (50fc) (you can use loh at the expense of 1 fc cap)
holy shock, griffon+st, magefist: 4k phys, 6,8k light, 11,8k total, -40res from gear (75fc)
conv, dual dream, loh+leech ring, reapers toll: 4k phys, 3,5k light, 7,5k total, -0res from gear but -150 from aura and reapers toll, 1k extra phys vs demons (30fc)


charge builds:
fana, forti, dual dream, loh+leech ring: 7k phys, 3,5k light, 10,5k total, -0 res from gear, 1k extra phys vs demons
holy shock, griffon+st, 4s life chest w/ rbfs, manaleech ias glove+bk, rbf in griffon: 4k phys, 9,4k light, 13,4k total, -65res from gear (1 skill charm will add 1-1029 dmg, yolo^^)
conv, forti, dual dream, loh+leech ring, pride: 6k phys, 3,5k light, 8,5k total -0res from gear but 150 from aura, 1k extra phys vs demons


lightning damage is also worth a bit more than physical, since you get high -res for almost all enemies, whereas most monsters in hell difficulty got base 50% physical res. At 70% deadly strike with gore, you do 85% physical damage vs non-immunes (0,3x50%+0,7x100%=85%)
lightning with rbfs+infi will do 175% damage against non-immune monsters with 50% lightres (50-125=-75)
physical immunes can only be pierced with decrepify, but its almost useless against immunes because they will still have 90% res (decrepify physical reduce, same as conv/lower res vs elemental, also has only 20% of its effect against immunes so its 50% phys res reduce will be only 10%. therefore against a 50% phys res monster with stone skin which results in 90res after reduce, you will do 10% damage.)
against lightning immunes with dream build the infinity becomes almost useless because of the same reason. 85% will be reduced to 17. against regular lightning immunes like storm casters you will do 17% lightning damage, whereas the griffon build will do 57% with standard eni setup, 77% with 4sox chest.

Lolz actually looking over this stuff again just made me realize that you will actually do more damage against most lightning immunes with the griffon build.
A storm caster in cs hell has 100% lightning and 50% physical res. with 6k phys and 3,5k light, (dual dream/nigma/fana), the average damage after resistances is as follows: 6000x0,85+3500x0,17=5695
with 4k phys and 6,8 light and -40 from gear (griffon/st/nigma/holy shock): 4000x0,85+6800x0,57=7876
with conv build, if the reapers toll procs before you even land the first hit (gl) it comes out almost the same: 4000x1,7+3500x0,3=7850
without nigma the difference gets even greater obviously.
Btw even with dual dream build and no enigma a 4s rbf chest will be stronger than forti. it adds 1-3.3k(1650 avg)lightning and -20lightres, forti will add 1k phys.
One more thing to conviction builds, whereas you can pierce more monsters with this build, its almost useless because you have no -res from gear. Also the general issue is obviously that you lose a lot of base dmg with conv.

This post was edited by Kenny123 on Dec 1 2013 08:05pm

t[b];dr